Bit by the motorcycle bug... Advice for a new rider!

[vrsbrazil]

Hello philosopheriam,

I´m a few months ahead of you but the FZ6 was also my first bike and let me tell you: I loved it! I still love it!
However you should take the advice of covering yourself with gears. Learn from my experience, as soon as I felt over confident I fell, luckily I was wearing helmet, jacket, boots, gloves and spinal protection. The helmet, the gloves and unfortunately the bike got completely wasted (so insurance should be considered) but I was just fine, all I had was a twisted fist that healed in less than a month.
I must tell you that I followed the same path you´re planning, took riding classes, read books, but when you´re out there surprises are always waiting.

Good luck with your new bike! :rockon:
Ride safe! :welcome:

 

[philosopheriam]

Hello philosopheriam,

I´m a few months ahead of you but the FZ6 was also my first bike and let me tell you: I loved it! I still love it!
However you should take the advice of covering yourself with gears. Learn from my experience, as soon as I felt over confident I fell, luckily I was wearing helmet, jacket, boots, gloves and spinal protection. The helmet, the gloves and unfortunately the bike got completely wasted (so insurance should be considered) but I was just fine, all I had was a twisted fist that healed in less than a month.
I must tell you that I followed the same path you´re planning, took riding classes, read books, but when you´re out there surprises are always waiting.

Good luck with your new bike! :rockon:
Ride safe! :welcome:

Thanks dude!

Right now, I'm looking at 06 to 07 higher-mileage FZ6's - they're in my price range, and although I'll try to be as safe and responsible as possible, I've been warned by all of my friends that it is a realistic possiblity that I might drop the bike at least once.

My list of gear to purchase:
Helmet
Jacket
Boots Gloves
Earplugs
Pants

I will wear these at all times, as I understand that when pavement encounters skin (or your head, for that matter), pavement usually wins...

 

[mercm3]

First welcome to the board. I was also one of these guys who bought an FZ6 as my first bike, got it 2 days after I passed my MSF class. My first choice was a GS500 due to my short height and my 29" inseam but after seeing an FZ6 I fell in love and went with it. I was so nervous I actually dropped the bike the first week with it not even running. It took about 2 weeks before I felt comfortable on the bike. I will say though it was a good 3 months before the bike saw anything over 7k rpms. Just a small piece of advice, if the bike doesn't come with it

BUY FRAME SLIDERS!!!!!!!!

They saved the bike from any damage at all during my drop.

Also do not never hesitate to ask your buddies or here online any questions you might have in regards to motorcycling, I felt it really helped me out asking any and all sorts of questions especially during those first few months where I was so unsure of anything.

 

[philosopheriam]

My biggest challenge right now seems to be people who grossly overestimate the value of their bikes in online ads :spank:

I spoke to one dealer this morning that wanted 4100 OTD for an 06 with 10500 miles. Like, seriously, thats the best you can do for a cash buyer...?

Just gotta keep my eyes peeled and remember to not be too impulsive - good things come to those who wait!

 

[HappyTrails]

FZ6 for a first bike? hmmm. You should be ok if: 1) You take the bike course 2) DO NOT go over 9k rpm's. The FZ6 turns into another bike when you go over 9k. 3) DO NOT ride on highways where there is heavy traffic, stick to the country roads (if you can). 4) DO NOT ride in the rain - need I explain? 5) Don't be influenced by others riding with you when they crack the throttle and take off. Don't worry, you will catch up (eventually!)

 

[philosopheriam]

I've been warned by a few people to not go over 8k as a newbie...

Point taken!

 

[RJ2112]

philosopheriam,

What is your working definition of 'high mileage'?

 

[philosopheriam]

Let me rephrase...

I don't think 10K to 12K is many miles on a bike (when properly maintained), however, when making a comparison to blue-book values, I compare the actual mileage of the bike to the BB mileage estimation.

For instance, if the NADA blue-book says an 2006 FZ6 should range from $2955 to $3855 (depending on condition) with an average mileage of just over 7k; I'm not going to pay more than that price range for 2006 with 10K, 12K, or even 15K miles....

 

[Mancolt]

Right now, I'm looking at 06 to 07 higher-mileage FZ6's - they're in my price range, and although I'll try to be as safe and responsible as possible, I've been warned by all of my friends that it is a realistic possiblity that I might drop the bike at least once.

That's exactly what I did last week. I bought a Blue 07 FZ6 with 11.8k miles on it for $3500. Seemed like a good deal to me. Came with a PUIG windscreen and frame sliders, which were an added bonus as I would have paid $3500 for just the bike.

FYI: This is my first bike. And I couldn't be happier with my decision!!

Good luck finding a bike. With a little bit of patience (which I don't have!), you'll definitely find one that fits your criteria!

 

[philosopheriam]

Exactly, in your situation, $3500 sounds fair.

I don't want to insult sellers, but for the love of pete, don't advertise a stock 06 with 10K miles at 1K over the blue book...

 

[RJ2112]

Let me rephrase...

I don't think 10K to 12K is many miles on a bike (when properly maintained), however, when making a comparison to blue-book values, I compare the actual mileage of the bike to the BB mileage estimation.

For instance, if the NADA blue-book says an 2006 FZ6 should range from $2955 to $3855 (depending on condition) with an average mileage of just over 7k; I'm not going to pay more than that price range for 2006 with 10K, 12K, or even 15K miles....

That's a reasonable approach.... to be honest, I have more issue with bikes with too little mileage, than I do with ones that have more. When I sold my '05, it went out the door with 25K miles on it..... all that meant was it was due to have the valve clearances checked, and was near the point that it needed a new chain and sprockets. The motor was still very strong, good compression and used zero oil.

I would personally feel more comfortable with a bike that got in excess of 10K miles a year, that was bone stock, compared to one with lots of modifications that had 1/3rd the mileage.

These bikes were built for the European market, where they ride bikes (nearly) all year round, through all sorts of weather and rack up miles like the US does on cars. An FZ6 that has routine maintenance will go well over 70K miles without incident...... the odds of hitting that high of a mileage are pretty low, due to operator error, and gravity. Very, very few make it 5-6 years without having at least one crash of one sort or another.

 

[Happy J]

Some basic advice as a newbie also.

I purchased a SV650 as my first big bike and sold it within two days as found it to uncomfortable.

Now have a Fazer 07 SP2 with ABS and can only say I love it.

It is a fantastic bike. Yes it quick and Yes it could kill you, however you could kill yourself on any bike if you ride like a nutter and take undue risks.

I have been doing some advanced rider training with the IAM and ROSPA which will help to boost your confidence and riding skills no end. Not sure what your equilivant is but the training is priceless.

Try and get out as much as you can especially on your own to start with so you do not feel pressured by other riders.

One of the big points for me is when out always check your mirrors as I have nearly been caught out a few times with other crazy bike riders doing warp speed behind me. Just let them get on with it. They are more dangerours than cars.

Never, leave the house without full gear on (Helmet, Gloves, leathers or textiles, back protector and boots) if you do you are putting your life in your own hands. Plus it will make you feel more secure. Whatever the weather.

If riding in a group don't try and be a hero. Ride how you want to and not how you think they expect you to ride.

Confidence will come over time!

The fazer - what can I say, great riding position, lots of power if you need it, great breaks, reasonably comfy the list goes on.

Invest in some crash bungs as they could save you cash in the event of a spill.

The main point is riding is all in your head and with experiance comes confidence. Just don't take risks and assume everyone else on the road is an idiot.

In summary just get out there and enjoy biking. It's a great way of life and endless amounts of pleaseure but you don't have to ride like Rossi to enjoy it.

Good luck.

Jason

 

[philosopheriam]

Here's my goal for this summer:

1. Take the MSF basic course, pass it, and get my motorcycle DL
2. Ride for a month, practice, and be safe
3. Take the MSF intermediate course
4. Drive the bike to Tennessee and clock about 1200mi (required for entrance into the MSF advanced course)
5. Take the MSF advanced course

I'm motivated

 

[Grip]

I'll just drop in anytime without being invited
... just kiddin
I'll just drop in what I put together:

MOTORCYCLE SAFETY RESOURCES

Howzit Done with Capt. Crash – Motorcycle Tips, Tricks and Technique
"http://howzitdonecrash.com/60_Second_Lessons.html"

Motorcycle Safety/Dynamics – Motorcycle Tips & Techniques
"http://www.msgroup.org/articles.aspx"

The Motorcycle Challenge
"http://www.msf-usa.org/MotorcycleChallenge/index.html"

Sport Rider – Riding Skills Series: Group Riding
"http://www.sportrider.com/ride/146_0711_group_riding/index.html"

Articles from the Ride Like a Pro Video
"http://www.ridelikeapro.com/articles"

Destroyed in Seconds: Motorcycle Wipeout
"http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/destroyed-in-seconds-motorcycle-wipeout.html"

Pakistani Biker Girl
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K-Jmvr3rmTs]YouTube - ozair baksh Pakistani Biker Girl[/ame]

SPOT Satellite Messenger
"http://www.oncycles.com/browse.asp?division=sportbike&department=mobileelectronics&category=satellitenavigationtracking"

Book: Proficient Motorcycling by David L. Hough, ISBN 978-193395835-4

- - Other Stuff - -

Best Prices, Military Discounts, Free Shipping, Quality Gear, Great Videos
"http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/StoreFront.bok"

Used Motorcycle Evaluation Guide
"http://www.clarity.net/adam/buying-bike.html"

Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic
"http://www.totalcontroltraining.net/index.html"

Motorcycle Detailing Products and more
"http://www.autogeek.net/motorcyclecare.html"

Road Star Clinic – How to Pick Up Your Motorcycle
"http://roadstarclinic.com/content/view/82/123/"

502 Boss Hoss Motorcycle RENTAL and other Bikes in the Fleet
"http://www.werentmotorcycles.com/Site/502_Boss_Hoss_Motorcycle_Rental.html"

Grip
:rockon:

 

[Wolfman]

I'll just drop in anytime without being invited
... just kiddin
I'll just drop in what I put together:

MOTORCYCLE SAFETY RESOURCES

Howzit Done with Capt. Crash – Motorcycle Tips, Tricks and Technique
"http://howzitdonecrash.com/60_Second_Lessons.html"

Motorcycle Safety/Dynamics – Motorcycle Tips & Techniques
"http://www.msgroup.org/articles.aspx"

The Motorcycle Challenge
"http://www.msf-usa.org/MotorcycleChallenge/index.html"

Sport Rider – Riding Skills Series: Group Riding
"http://www.sportrider.com/ride/146_0711_group_riding/index.html"

Articles from the Ride Like a Pro Video
"http://www.ridelikeapro.com/articles"

Destroyed in Seconds: Motorcycle Wipeout
"http://dsc.discovery.com/videos/destroyed-in-seconds-motorcycle-wipeout.html"

Pakistani Biker Girl
YouTube - ozair baksh Pakistani Biker Girl

SPOT Satellite Messenger
"http://www.oncycles.com/browse.asp?division=sportbike&department=mobileelectronics&category=satellitenavigationtracking"

Book: Proficient Motorcycling by David L. Hough, ISBN 978-193395835-4

- - Other Stuff - -

Best Prices, Military Discounts, Free Shipping, Quality Gear, Great Videos
"http://stores.sportbiketrackgear.com/StoreFront.bok"

Used Motorcycle Evaluation Guide
"http://www.clarity.net/adam/buying-bike.html"

Total Control Advanced Riding Clinic
"http://www.totalcontroltraining.net/index.html"

Motorcycle Detailing Products and more
"http://www.autogeek.net/motorcyclecare.html"

Road Star Clinic – How to Pick Up Your Motorcycle
"http://roadstarclinic.com/content/view/82/123/"

502 Boss Hoss Motorcycle RENTAL and other Bikes in the Fleet
"http://www.werentmotorcycles.com/Site/502_Boss_Hoss_Motorcycle_Rental.html"

Grip
:rockon:

Far out! That's a big list....nice stuff, plenty of decent reading there!

:thumbup:

 

[philosopheriam]

She's home Haven't decided on a name, though... Carmen, Lola, or Lucy, perhaps!

Picked her up yesterday from a private seller - 2007, 6105 miles, no dents/scratches/damage, never been dropped or dumped. Frame sliders, flush-mount signals, fender eliminator. Squeaky clean, all fluids and maintenance performed on the dot. Grand total: $3900

 

[Hutchmaster34]

She's a beauty :thumbup: now prepare to have your wallet even more empty from mods, cause once ya start it never.... ever stops :rockon:

 

[achtung6]

Thanks guys!

As I mentioned, I want to be as safe as possible about this - hence the instruction course. They'll be starting us on 250's..

I'm not completely dismissing the idea of a 250, but I want a bike that I can take out on the highway. Great starter bikes, totally. However, from most of the people to whom I've spoken, the consensus is that they are dogs on the highway. I'm not lookin to go 100mph in the left hand lane, however, I don't want to be that guy who's limited to 65mph and stuck on the right. Perhaps this is a trivial concern for a beginner, but anyhoo...

My buddy and I are going to Chicago Cycle this weekend so I can sit on a bunch of bikes and see how they feel - he has emphasized that first and foremost, a good beginner bike must fit well, and second, it's power must be reasonable (not crazy).

I've looked at a GS500F, as well, but I really don't want a carbed bike...

If the FZ6 is your dream machine and you are preparing yourself adequately via MSF or similar courses, do not be dissuaded in getting one. My first big motorcycle after years on scooters was an R1. No big deal. The throttle on all motorcycles is of a progressive design. Even the R1 will not go very fast if you don't twist the throttle much.

I don't know where this myth comes from or if it is just that people don't like to think that a beginner can ride the same bike as them. I've seen reckless riders on scooters that think they're "safe" because they've only got 50cc connected to the throttle. Everyone knows that is rubbish.

Get educated on motorcycles (MSF and any other training/safety courses available to you), gear up (with good stuff and wear it always, even if it's just to the grocery store), ride within your limits and practice, practice, practice. Riding well (smart) is not something that happens overnight for most people but it's well within reach of all but the most foolhardy.

 

[philosopheriam]

2 MONTHS LATER...

I cannot even begin to describe how happy I am that I DID NOT buy a GS500F or a Ninja 250. I absolutely love my FZ6... I definitely know that I would have gotten bored fast on either of those bikes. I ride on a lot of highways to visit friends and relatives, and the fizzer is just a wonderful highway machine!

It's fast, has excellent street manners, it's comfortable to ride, and it looks good, too!

However, I admit that if a rider has zero experience and has not taken the MSF (or a similar beginner course), I could see how the FZ6 might be a little too much bike.

Just my .02

 

[VEGASRIDER]

Too many damn posts to read all through them, but here's my take on the OP, sorry if I'm too late.

Take the MSF class and see how you do. Heck, you may not even like riding a motorcycle, but I doubt it. If you have the ability and understand clutch & throttle control. Nail the skills test, I mean score perfect or nearly perfect, the FZ would not be a problem if you're mature enough. No need to trade up or down, the FZ6 is the perfect medium in my opinion.

The biggest question for you is to buy new or used? And I would lean towards used.

I think the MSF course in Illinois is free, it's subsidized by the state.