Gun pulled for a wheelie

[rsw81]

I agree that the officer should have verbally identified himself, but if you look closely, he did have his badge on his belt line in clear view. The guy was riding like an a$$clown on a public highway, he saw the marked car on the center divider, and slowed down... knowing he'd likely get pulled over for this. While I agree weapons are often pulled prematurely by our local LEO's, I'm not really sure this is one of those cases. The officer never pointed the weapon at any time, and as soon as the rider began to cooperate, he holstered the gun. If I were a juror in this case, I'd likely side with the officer. Not to mention, the rider was specifically instructed to not publish the video, which was a felony, and chose to do so anyway. You can't fix stupid.

 

[cap'n]

better hope you dont get pulled over by this cop then

YouTube - Police Officer Shoots Unarmed 24 Year Old Motorcycle Rider In The Back

Yeeeeesh. I gotta say, he could've been a LOT more cooperative. Not putting his hands out, drawing to the side like that, all this after lanching it away from a cop car... sucks he got shot, but it's not like he was buying a cone at Baskin Robins when it happened.

 

[Motogiro]

Would it have been too hard to identify himself immediately?

Even if it was just vocal.

If the guy hasn't seen any marked cars, then he is thinking what I'm thinking.....another effing nutter playing games with a car. I'd have backed my bike up too, so I could get away from the guy. (whether I'd done something wrong or not).

The hands are on the clutch etc, so it's a cinch the guy's not going for a gun in a hurry. At least he didn't point the weapon at the rider.

If you drive a vehicle towards a LEO he will perceive it as a threat. The rider doesn't need a gun to hurt or kill you or another citizen. The rider did know he was being stopped by authorities. He was lit up from behind and saw the LEO in the turnaround. That's why he slowed down.

Running someone over is an act that can result in death. The officer is trained to expect that.

The officer never threatened him with the weapon. If the officer was in uniform he would not have to ID himself and he would also have a gun.

I would rather have the cop stop a nut case that would maim or kill me or my family and friends first than ID himself. In this case the officer did identify himself and it was obvious he was being stopped. Engine off, key out, gun holstered.

It's easy for us to armchair what the results afterward the video, but in that moment without knowing the outcome of the stop there could be different scenarios and we could be saying to ourselves, " I would have drawn my weapon and dispatched the guy on the spot but instead this guy launched the bike and ended up killing and maiming other people down the road. It's all hindsight.

At the very moment the unmarked pulled up the trooper doesn't know the rider's not a nutter. The trooper is still assessing the outcome of the stop and whether it's going to be a fake, 'Stop and Launch'. I'm perfectly okay with how he performed his duty. The rider was never put in harms way except by himself.

The general public has a preconceived idea of who we are as riders because of a$$hat behavior like this.

This guy wanted attention and I'm okay with that cuz I wanna be loved to. He furthered his plight by putting the video on the internet.

Some people know that they'll get immediate attention by becoming a threat to themselves or others.

"My motorcycle is my weapon"
http://images.motorcycle-superstore...l4BZsrCcHnTYusfO6Q&01RI=AAEBF8E21308D19&01NA=

I like wheelies, twisties, very fast ground coverage and people out enjoying their day. I don't like seeing a turkey that looks sort of like me about to get it's neck wrung! :rockon:

 

[Amorousnerdium]

If you drive a vehicle towards a LEO he will perceive it as a threat. The rider doesn't need a gun to hurt or kill you or another citizen. The rider did know he was being stopped by authorities. He was lit up from behind and saw the LEO in the turnaround. That's why he slowed down.

Running someone over is an act that can result in death. The officer is trained to expect that.

The officer never threatened him with the weapon. If the officer was in uniform he would not have to ID himself and he would also have a gun.

I would rather have the cop stop a nut case that would maim or kill me or my family and friends first than ID himself. In this case the officer did identify himself and it was obvious he was being stopped. Engine off, key out, gun holstered.

It's easy for us to armchair what the results afterward the video, but in that moment without knowing the outcome of the stop there could be different scenarios and we could be saying to ourselves, " I would have drawn my weapon and dispatched the guy on the spot but instead this guy launched the bike and ended up killing and maiming other people down the road. It's all hindsight.

At the very moment the unmarked pulled up the trooper doesn't know the rider's not a nutter. The trooper is still assessing the outcome of the stop and whether it's going to be a fake, 'Stop and Launch'. I'm perfectly okay with how he performed his duty. The rider was never put in harms way except by himself.

The general public has a preconceived idea of who we are as riders because of a$$hat behavior like this.

This guy wanted attention and I'm okay with that cuz I wanna be loved to. He furthered his plight by putting the video on the internet.

Some people know that they'll get immediate attention by becoming a threat to themselves or others.

"My motorcycle is my weapon"
http://images.motorcycle-superstore...l4BZsrCcHnTYusfO6Q&01RI=AAEBF8E21308D19&01NA=

I like wheelies, twisties, very fast ground coverage and people out enjoying their day. I don't like seeing a turkey that looks sort of like me about to get it's neck wrung! :rockon:

I'm with you there. Like i said earlier , reality is, he was recklessly driving and a threat and there was a marked car on the scene. He KNEW what was going on. He's the idiot that posted it to the web and disregarded state law regarding recording without permission.

The only thing I would have done differently was had my badge out as well. I do a lot of "plain clothes" work, my badge is generally around my neck. My sop is hold badge visible with left hand, right hand resting on gun.

 

[daletucker]

Ran across this while searching for helmet cams.

I would have hit the gas as soon as I saw the gun come out. (video at the bottom of the article)

Video: Motorcyclist arrested for recording cop brandishing gun with helmet cam [*UPDATED] — Autoblog

honestly where i live if a gun is pulled on me by some dip**** in civilian clothing my gun will come out a little faster and the trigger will be pulled then i will ask questions. that dumbass cop could have easily been the next boy in blue buried too soon.

 

[Motogiro]

honestly where i live if a gun is pulled on me by some dip**** in civilian clothing my gun will come out a little faster and the trigger will be pulled then i will ask questions. that dumbass cop could have easily been the next boy in blue buried too soon.

I think I saw you in this video!
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_H0dYEjR-jA]YouTube - Fastest gun in the world[/ame]

 

[DownrangeFuture]

His badge was not in plain view until after he put the gun away and tucked his sweater over the badge. I have military training on these types of situations (seeing as I'm in the military) and we're a little more aggressive than LEO's. There was no call to pull his gun. You never draw your gun unless deadly force is justified. Opportunity, capability, and intent.

He only had capability. The LEO stayed out of directly in front of the bike killing opportunity. It's hard to tell from the video, but I'd so no intent. So only having the capability is not even close to closing the deadly force triangle. Should cops draw on and shoot everyone carrying a firearm, cased or not? What about people using knives? Or a screwdriver?

Furthermore, drivers that are shot (killed or not) seldom stop. Generally they speed up, or slowly coast to a stop. They don't magically hit the brakes or swerve at the last second like in the movies. So shooting at them to stop them before they hit you is stupid.

The gun was only drawn to intimidate. To make the LEO's balls feel bigger. I've been stopped by plain clothes cops before and it's badge out, holster loosened, hand on gun but not drawn. That would have been my response as well.

I don't stand guard duty too often, but I do stand it, and anyone in the Navy that might get to even look at a gun gets training. Frequently. The rider and the LEO were both ***hats.

If it was me, and the marked car hadn't been behind me, I would have pulled my carry as soon as I saw the guy start to step out and draw. With the marked car, I'd just think he was an ***hat.

 

[The Toecutter]

I think I saw you in this video!
YouTube - Fastest gun in the world

That is just unreal !! :jawdrop:

 

[Protaper48]

Ran across this while searching for helmet cams.

I would have hit the gas as soon as I saw the gun come out. (video at the bottom of the article)

Video: Motorcyclist arrested for recording cop brandishing gun with helmet cam [*UPDATED] — Autoblog

Ok so if this guy was riding like a schmuck so be it. But this clown that jumps out of the car waving his gun like a hoodlum and no badge in sight. I bee out of there like a bad fart, let the mark cruiser stop me. Not this gun taunting idiot, I believe that proper I.D would have done the trick in this case.

Ps: I would stop for a traffic cop, but since I don't ride like a schmuck I don't get bothered by police.

 

[ozzieboy]

I'm not even saying don't draw the pistol. Let the guy draw his weapon, as long as it's not pointed ( my Navy training taught me not to point a weapon at someone unless I was ready to shoot them). Until he identifies himself though, he is just some dude with a firearm. All he had to do was shout police at the guy as he's drawing his weapon. Loud enough to be heard over the bike, and through the helmet. Sorry, but cops need to be thinking of this stuff and doing it right, or something totally unnecessary, and tragic could happen. Just like the guy riding could cause a tragedy.

And don't ride like that if you don't wanna get pulled over.:thumbup:

In Australia we have pretty strict gun laws (no I am not making judgements), so I don't own or carry a weapon (they even made me get rid of my 250lb crossbow recently when they changed the laws so now I have tomahawks and darts for home defence), and I can see that the police certainly need to be armed to protect themselves, but don't EVER point one at me (no need...I am unarmed and will co-operate)...and especially don't let your attention wander if you do. I will do what my Navy instructors told me if anyone on the range points a gun at me......Whatever it takes to make myself safe.......Police or not. Point a gun at me, and I will try to kill you if I get the chance even if it means trying to bite out the carotid artery...anything...I don't care. So feel free to carry arms.....and I'll feel free to defend myself as best I can if a weapon is pointed at me. Fair enough?:thumbs up: So one small mistake here could get one or more people killed.

The point here is that, yes even though the rider is endangering himself and others, and the officer didn't point his gun, the police need to be doing it right, or they too, could escalate a situation, and endanger others.

It would take no extra time to shout police as you draw your weapon. Bottom line.

BTW...Have a look at the car at 2:24. This is the unmarked cop. No way he saw the wheelie. No way was it a high speed pursuit. After the rider looks behind him on the off ramp, he turns forward and rolls off to stay behind the van with only one hand on the bars.....if he's trying to do a runner he's got a lot to learn. Also, when he turns around to look behind him, he's not doing anything that anyone else isn't, so I suppose it's possible, that he thinks that he'll just roll off ,and move over to one side to let the cop go through (hope springs eternal)...when he gets cut off by the unmarked car...at which point he tries backing up to get away from the maniac in a cage. How would he have known it was a cop? Have I missed something? Is there a story or write up somewhere? I would love to read it if there is one. I must be missing something.

 

[cmor15]

The guy was obviously going to pull a gun out of his tailbag.

why the hell did he need to draw a gun for a situation like that in the first place??


F THE POLICE!

 

[Kriswithak]

Sorry what are people talking about at the start of the thread? The cop pulled his gun incase the motorcyclist did a runner?
Are you nutbags? Thats what license plates are for, who cares if he runs off, record the license plate and knock on his door. He is hardly putting lives at risk.
You don't pull a gun even as an officer like that unless your a cowboy and people like that shouldn't be allowed to be officers.
Also recording being illegal is a joke particularly in a public place. You would be well within your rights to request the footage not be aired if your in it, or your identity covered, but to claim that your unaware of being video'd by a CAMERA ON A HELMET? If thats hidden then I must be a blue whale. Thats an obvious abuse of a law.
An officer doing his job should be happy to be recorded, afterall all police cars have recording devices.

We have major issues here because police officers are far too often rude with a major case of small man syndrome and they are HATED for it. Their motto is practically "Power trip" and certainly not "Serve and Protect"
I still find it quite funny since I don't have anything against police, but understand the perspective, personally I think road enforcement is largely a joke and that police would do themselves a huge favour if they took a step back and instead of gathering government funds like its their job actually protected people they would be doing EVERYONE a huge favour. (Not to say some road issues don't deserve attention)

You can call the police and they won't arrive for hours in a serious situation that lets a criminal get away, but your doing 4km/h over the limit and your probably in trouble.
It may be the governments fault for encouraging police to focus in areas that make them unpopular and are just revenue raising but at the end of the day its the police who end up with a terrible job becaues they have no respect. And the worst part is that its just sad.

Reminds me of the cop who shot a motorcyclist he had just pulled over in the back for looking over his shoulder at the cop as he came at him with a drawn gun.
Cowboy. He went to jail. Not for long enough either. Never admitted he did anything wrong either.

Anyway in this situation (and I don't know how this works in the US) but what happens if the motorcyclist pulled out a gun and shot the unidentified police officer in self defence?

 

[FloppyRunner]

I wonder if, like some you have mentioned, he is trained to keep his hand on his gun (but not draw it) but being that he was not in uniform he didn't have a hip holster, so he made what he thought was an equivalent decision... I'm not saying that was the RIGHT decision, just food for thought...

Like many of you, I think without thinking I would have gotten out of there as fast as I can or pulled my own weapon if I'd have had one (although I can't say I ever carry while riding...) if I'd have seen what looked like some ex-fratboy get out of his car holding a handgun. But like what's been said, I wouldn't have been riding like a jerkoff in the first place...