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Excellent Fred,We need a vid of it running perhaps :thumbup:
The Black Bike.
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Fred
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Ask and you shall receive. (as soon as youtube finishes processing it)
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLmrm4z6F-Q]YouTube - The Black Bike[/ame]
Nice Fred!!! nice fighter! I didn't know you were going all out "fighter" on this!!
:edit: I should have said "all out turbocharged fighter"
wow!!!
:edit: I should have said "all out turbocharged fighter"
wow!!!
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lmao nice gear indeed!
your bike scares my daughter btw
your bike scares my daughter btw
n1one
RIP Tom Eden
Fred,
I have caught bits and pieces of this build project, but did not really understand what you were trying to achieve...until now!
WOW!:jawdrop:
Other than looking at the valve covers, you would have a hard time telling it was a BMW at one point. What a cool creation, I was blown away by all the stuff that Defy listed in his post that you had hand fabricated or programmed.:thumbup:
Unbelievable job...keep posting videos...I want to see more.:rockon:
Thank you for posting!
I have caught bits and pieces of this build project, but did not really understand what you were trying to achieve...until now!
WOW!:jawdrop:
Other than looking at the valve covers, you would have a hard time telling it was a BMW at one point. What a cool creation, I was blown away by all the stuff that Defy listed in his post that you had hand fabricated or programmed.:thumbup:
Unbelievable job...keep posting videos...I want to see more.:rockon:
Thank you for posting!
chunkygoat
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I think you helped me realize just now how much i DON'T know. Thanks
In all honesty, that is completely gnarley. I can't begin to comprehend how you managed to pull together parts from a ford ranger, dodge avenger, hayabusa, BMW, PLUS what you created from scratch.
It reminds me of one of those bikes you see in those futuristic end of the world movies, like Escape From L.A. I just picture you driving through a junk yard with hound dogs from hell chasing you, through a hail of gunfire.
Sorry, got a little excited there. Really though, you and your bike are an inspiration for me - and i'm sure others too. Thanks for sharing your crazy dethbike with us :rockon:
When you name him/her - I'd love to hear what you decide on
In all honesty, that is completely gnarley. I can't begin to comprehend how you managed to pull together parts from a ford ranger, dodge avenger, hayabusa, BMW, PLUS what you created from scratch.
It reminds me of one of those bikes you see in those futuristic end of the world movies, like Escape From L.A. I just picture you driving through a junk yard with hound dogs from hell chasing you, through a hail of gunfire.
Sorry, got a little excited there. Really though, you and your bike are an inspiration for me - and i'm sure others too. Thanks for sharing your crazy dethbike with us :rockon:
When you name him/her - I'd love to hear what you decide on
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Mate !!!
That is one of the meanest BMW's I have ever seen.........or heard for that matter,excellent work.
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That is one of the meanest BMW's I have ever seen.........or heard for that matter,excellent work.
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Fred
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There's one thing that always puts a smile on my face. What is that thing?
Yesterday I took the Black Bike to AF-1 Racing, and let Micah Shoemaker work his magic on it.
It took about five hours all told. Run after run, he'd set the bike to a certain throttle position, set the dynamometer to hold a specific RPM, and use his exhaust analyzer to read the exhaust gases and tune the bike accordingly. The map has 12 throttle positions, and 12 key RPMs, so that's 144 datapoints to plot. Now you see why it took five hours.
We had a few exciting moments. At one point the final drive boiled over and began spewing Guinness colored gear oil out of the breather like Mount St. Paralever. Turns out that my salvaged final drive had some water in the oil. As the drive heated up, the water boiled and made the whole mess boil over. A quick oil change and we were back at it. Luckily this happened early on, before Micah started really giving the bike a lot of gas and stressing the final drive gears.
And there was the time that we were making changes to the rev limit, and suddenly the bike began to stutter and knock and sound like it had just thrown a rod. What happened? I'd meant to set the rev limit to 10,000 RPM, but instead had set it to 1000 RPM. Whups!
Micah's dyno room has two giant fresh air fans, two giant exhaust fans, and two more blower fans that can be aimed at radiators and intercoolers. And then add in the sound of a turbocharged engine at full bark, and everything in the room shakes. But that's nothing according to Micah,"Sometimes I have a Hayabusa or Harley in here, and after a couple of hours the vibrations are so bad that I run out of the room and either puke, have diarreah, or both at the same time."
Sometimes it was quite scary in there. You're hot and tired. You're a foot away from a howling motorcycle that is strapped down to the platform with its rear wheel on the roller, and it is straining to escape and go crashing through the front wall of the dyno room
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4l-Dl73TpM"](As a sidenote, this can happen!)[/ame]
Knowing all this, it's hard to make yourself stay in the room. Several times I wanted to run away.
After many hours, Micah had a fuel map that would let the bike run well at any throttle setting and RPM.
We did a little work with the acceleration enrichment values. These numbers control the injection of extra fuel that is needed when the throttle is being opened. Even with our values, the bike wasn't happy on the transitions. But it was good enough for a test ride. So long as I opened the throttle slowly, it was happy. But if I would open the throttle quickly, the bike would buck and shudder for a second, then come back on power as I stopped moving the throttle.
I hauled it home and went to bed.
Today I played with the acceleration enrichments. I switch from TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) based to MAP (Manifold Air Pressure) based, and immediately the bike was running like a top.
I still want to play with settings. I've had the bike up to 120mph so far. There's a few weak spots on the fuel map that I think can be fixed. And I can always go after more power by increasing boost levels. That's the fun about turbos. You turn one screw and gain horsepower.
I lost some power when I regeared the bike. I put on a K1100 final drive and swingarm, which geared the bike up by 10%. That's a lot, and it means that the bike's traded acceleration for top speed. I'll get the acceleration back when I start upping the boost.
I have a leaking fork seal from years of the bike sitting still. There's a slight oil leak at the turbo oil return. And the turbo itself does need a new compressor shaft seal. But that's all easily done.
The point is, the bike can be ridden.
This was a good weekend.
Still to do. Find a K1100 front wheel to match the rear. Fix the three leaks. Minor tweaking of the fuel map and accel enrichments.
VICTORY!
Yesterday I took the Black Bike to AF-1 Racing, and let Micah Shoemaker work his magic on it.
It took about five hours all told. Run after run, he'd set the bike to a certain throttle position, set the dynamometer to hold a specific RPM, and use his exhaust analyzer to read the exhaust gases and tune the bike accordingly. The map has 12 throttle positions, and 12 key RPMs, so that's 144 datapoints to plot. Now you see why it took five hours.
We had a few exciting moments. At one point the final drive boiled over and began spewing Guinness colored gear oil out of the breather like Mount St. Paralever. Turns out that my salvaged final drive had some water in the oil. As the drive heated up, the water boiled and made the whole mess boil over. A quick oil change and we were back at it. Luckily this happened early on, before Micah started really giving the bike a lot of gas and stressing the final drive gears.
And there was the time that we were making changes to the rev limit, and suddenly the bike began to stutter and knock and sound like it had just thrown a rod. What happened? I'd meant to set the rev limit to 10,000 RPM, but instead had set it to 1000 RPM. Whups!
Micah's dyno room has two giant fresh air fans, two giant exhaust fans, and two more blower fans that can be aimed at radiators and intercoolers. And then add in the sound of a turbocharged engine at full bark, and everything in the room shakes. But that's nothing according to Micah,"Sometimes I have a Hayabusa or Harley in here, and after a couple of hours the vibrations are so bad that I run out of the room and either puke, have diarreah, or both at the same time."
Sometimes it was quite scary in there. You're hot and tired. You're a foot away from a howling motorcycle that is strapped down to the platform with its rear wheel on the roller, and it is straining to escape and go crashing through the front wall of the dyno room
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4l-Dl73TpM"](As a sidenote, this can happen!)[/ame]
Knowing all this, it's hard to make yourself stay in the room. Several times I wanted to run away.
After many hours, Micah had a fuel map that would let the bike run well at any throttle setting and RPM.
We did a little work with the acceleration enrichment values. These numbers control the injection of extra fuel that is needed when the throttle is being opened. Even with our values, the bike wasn't happy on the transitions. But it was good enough for a test ride. So long as I opened the throttle slowly, it was happy. But if I would open the throttle quickly, the bike would buck and shudder for a second, then come back on power as I stopped moving the throttle.
I hauled it home and went to bed.
Today I played with the acceleration enrichments. I switch from TPS (Throttle Position Sensor) based to MAP (Manifold Air Pressure) based, and immediately the bike was running like a top.
I still want to play with settings. I've had the bike up to 120mph so far. There's a few weak spots on the fuel map that I think can be fixed. And I can always go after more power by increasing boost levels. That's the fun about turbos. You turn one screw and gain horsepower.
I lost some power when I regeared the bike. I put on a K1100 final drive and swingarm, which geared the bike up by 10%. That's a lot, and it means that the bike's traded acceleration for top speed. I'll get the acceleration back when I start upping the boost.
I have a leaking fork seal from years of the bike sitting still. There's a slight oil leak at the turbo oil return. And the turbo itself does need a new compressor shaft seal. But that's all easily done.
The point is, the bike can be ridden.
This was a good weekend.
Still to do. Find a K1100 front wheel to match the rear. Fix the three leaks. Minor tweaking of the fuel map and accel enrichments.
n1one
RIP Tom Eden
Awesome stuff..gotta get more videos up here for us to enjoy....!:thumbup:
Thank you for sharing this!:rockon:
Thank you for sharing this!:rockon:
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wrightme43
HELLYEAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Rock on Fred!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Awesome story man.
Awesome story man.
tonup
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fred this thing is pure awesome keep up the great work
stryken
Vertically Challenged
I know your true identity....
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCItnKrXvMM"]YouTube - Street Hawk: Intro[/ame]
All kidding aside..... I love it, Way cool!!
[ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CCItnKrXvMM"]YouTube - Street Hawk: Intro[/ame]
All kidding aside..... I love it, Way cool!!
chunkygoat
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ahaha, an all terrain attack motorcycle...300 mph and immense weaponry.
Man, machine, street hawk
Man, machine, street hawk
necrotimus
Stop looking at my title!
I love the invader zim artwork... i may just have to watch my dvds this weekend
Fred
M em b er e d
I made a new video using all the pictures I took while building this bike. Enjoy.
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjuaGpUWh9s]YouTube - Black Bike build montage.[/ame]
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TjuaGpUWh9s]YouTube - Black Bike build montage.[/ame]
WOW! That's a TON of design and engineering! Well done! Have you driven it yet? Video?
Nice work!!
Nice work!!
He has got a short video on page 3.:rockon:
copperhd5
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Fred, I just saw this thread. That is an awesome project. I can only dream of accomplishing something like that, but I don't have those skills. It looks great. I'm diggin' where you brought it from to where it is. A lot of time, effort, patience, imagination and of course $$$$ involved. I really like it. Up top view in my eyes it kind of has a stealth bomber look to it. Great job!
Thanks! But I'm still on page one.
Go edit your User CP options to increase the posts per page to 40. 
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Thanks! But I'm still on page one.
tried that once. huge pain when i get to the end of a post and have to scroll all the way back to the top to get to the home button. i'll stick with 10 a page.
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