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Helmet Laws

Did I read that right , they are actually relaxing the law that makes you wear the single most important piece of saftey gear you can buy :eek: This is your head peeople , thats right your head the thing that makes you function with out it you die simple...

That is seriously STUPID :spank: :spank:
 
What's the old saying?..."If you have a ten dollar head buy a ten dollar helmet." For some people their heads are worthless, so they don't bother with helmets. That's on them.
My mother always tells me she'll buy me whatever I want for my bike...as long as I never ride it. That's on me.
Existence is a risk, and one day it will come to an end.
 
Here in Indiana, helmets are only required for those under the age of 18. I personally like my face, and will therefore wear my helmet 100% of the time. I am fine with the fact people can choose for themselves whether they think a 200 dollar investment is worth it to them to potentially save their life in a crash. Motorcycles are already dangerous enough, and not wearing a helmet is just stupid.
 
Helmet laws are there to protect the stupid from themselves. I'm not saying everyone that doesn't ware a helmet is stupid but many people are and they don't realise the importance of it. Also others will be not wearing it because it's cheaper not to but one. I think helmets should be mandatory.

As the old saying goes "sure it'll never happen to me" Yea right.

People say they want the right to choose but what about you family's right to have you still living after a minor crash.

I have to say I just really can't see the point of no helmet. Maybe I'm just ignorent to it.
 
Don't like the government telling you what to do. Aren't you a LEO? Don't you see enough of injured/dead people in accidents? Anything that can help stop people getting hurt is a good thing.

As for my tax rate? 50-60%? I'm not rich. Tax rate is irrelevant.

I've got a great idea.

Let's make the speed limit 20mph everywhere and make sure any motor vehicles cannot physically go above 20 mph. And just as a precaution, everybody have to wear a full face helmet, whether in a car or motorcycle. How would you like that? No more death and no more insurance problem. Better yet, let's ban motorcycles. They're too risky. I don't have a brain to think for myself, so thanks big government!

How did this get political??
 
I've got a great idea.

Let's make the speed limit 20mph everywhere and make sure any motor vehicles cannot physically go above 20 mph. And just as a precaution, everybody have to wear a full face helmet, whether in a car or motorcycle. How would you like that? No more death and no more insurance problem. Better yet, let's ban motorcycles. They're too risky. I don't have a brain to think for myself, so thanks big government!

How did this get political??
It's a law.

That is political...

No need for attitude. We'll agree to disagree.
 
Riding in Thailand a few years ago it seemed it was ok to ride with or without what could best be described as a motorcycle "hat". As little protection as it gave and doing 80kph on a scooter, it was firmly planted on my head. A calculated risk I was prepared to take at the time. I have come off enough treadlies at 20-25 km to know that having a lid is not a big ask, and I kinda like my nose where it is....I guess its a law I don't feel the need to question.
A mate of mine was dragged under a semi after he didn't see him in the next lane, he was only in jeans and a hi vis jacket. He was in hospital for months and is still suffering 6 years later, Kevlar or leather might not prevent injuries but it sure might lessen them, same for a helmet
 
Did I read that right , they are actually relaxing the law that makes you wear the single most important piece of saftey gear you can buy :eek: This is your head peeople , thats right your head the thing that makes you function with out it you die simple...

That is seriously STUPID :spank: :spank:

There are two dynamics here. There has always been a strong, vocal non helmet contingent amongst American bikers. Now, the two [main] political camps are joining in the fight. One camp favors less personal control over the other [unless the issue is anything involving sex in which case they tend to operate in the tenth century].
 
This is incredibly shortsighted.. You're already in a "socialized medicine" system.. It's not an alien concept.. It just means that you, as a taxpayer, already pays for state hospitals when insurance coverage are maxed out (or nonexistent). Start by reading the link that vegasrider posted in this thread:

Where do you think those $45M came from? Yup: socialized medicine, the damn nanny state of Nevada picked up the tab.

With freedom comes responsibilities, and with responsibilities comes consequences. A true free/private system would work like this: you get treatment as far as you/your insurance policy can cover. Once you're maxed out, we (society) send you to walgreens to pick up your own bandaids. You now have the freedom to make any choices you want, since your choices will not impact society. But that freedom comes at a price, the responsibility to carry proper insurance. That is a fair system, no? You ready for this? If you are, then it's all good. If not, you accept the fact that you might need the society to pick up the tab and by the same token accept the fact that society wants to lower its costs by making you wear a helmet.
Hurray,
A well thought out argument, with concise explanation and clarity of the key points.

Nelly
 
I like the "Law of Common Sense"

If history has taught us one thing. There is nothing common about "Sense". Have a look at the Darwin awards link to find conclusive proof.
2010 Darwin Award: Ride 'Em Cowgirl
And for these very reasons people need to have legislation, to ensure that the gene pool remains sufficently topped up.
Nelly
 
S........... . .
It's funny that the general public will support helmet laws for motorcyclists, but if you ever suggested that drivers be required to wear a bicycle helmet in their car, you'd get laughed out of the room. And how many drivers die every year from head trauma? You could save a lot more lives by requiring helmets in cars. But that would inconvenience the vast majority of voters, not a small minority.

Just think about 3 loose helmets flying around in roll over accident inside of a car (mom drops off the kids, they remove helmets). Necks would breaks if those helmets are not attached to something. . .
In this case, the driver would REALLY want a helmet on to protect himself from the flying helmets but it could still kill them.
 
I agree that i don't think the gov't needs to protect us from ourselves, and i always use a full face because ive seen what not using a helmet does. My buddy had to lay his bike down, his face caught the road and basically tore the right half of his face off, it was a fairly routine lay down and had he had a helmet on probably would have come away without a scratch, just my .02

Cheap insurance in my book!
Oddly, my helmet has not a mark on it from Dirt bike days. Jet Skiing, now that left paint transfer. . . Having said that, its all about risk mitigation. Wear the right gear for the job!

For the people that have no insurance and ride w/out the gear. . . You are not helping the world as whole. Lead by example! Show the less educated positive examples. Crap, look at NASCAR where Dale Earnhardt tore his face clean off with an open face helmet in a car crash. Seeing is believing.

Mr No Helmet, lets see you stand before your family and friends and justify these pictures of people with damaged melons and make a case saying, "I'm better off without my brain bucket"!
Good luck! I doubt they'll say, "leave your helmet home!"
 
I see the principles of having a helmet law as exactly the same as a seat belt law, is there a difference? Take away one, they should take away both? Everyone agrees that by wearing them, it reduces injury and death!

Here in Vegas, whenever there is a local rider who gets killed from a crash who is a member of a local forum or a friend of someone who is active on the local forum, there is always a post about a benefit car wash to help the victims family with money.

Why? Those who ride should be responsible enough, especially if they have a wife and kid, to have life insurance. Imagine if you are responsible for 100 close friends who are frequent riders, and imagine if you have to contribute money to their finances after they have died because they didn't have life insurance.

The use of helmets can be viewed the same way. Chances are, there are many riders out there riding without any or very little medical coverage and whenever they get hurt, somebody is stuck footing the bill.

If the use of helmets help save us money, I'm all for it. If there is any way to have the one's who choose not to ride without one who have no medical insurance can be just left on the side of the road left to die, I'm all for it. Kind of like having residences or areas that elect not to pay for fire coverage. Whenever there is a fire in an area that iis outside the fire coverage area, they will let the fire burn. It's a controlled burn, meaining that they make sure it stays contained, but they will watch it burn itself out.
 
I see the principles of having a helmet law as exactly the same as a seat belt law, is there a difference? Take away one, they should take away both? Everyone agrees that by wearing them, it reduces injury and death!

Exactly what I was going to say!

If helmets aren't mandatory, why are seatbelts?

Both save lives, both should be required.
 
First, I'd like to state that the argument is not whether it is a good idea to wear a helmet (or seat belt). The argument is whether it is the government's right or responsibility to dictate to you whether you need to take some action to protect yourself or reduce the risk of some activity, with such actions based solely on the judgment of the government.

I see the principles of having a helmet law as exactly the same as a seat belt law, is there a difference? Take away one, they should take away both? Everyone agrees that by wearing them, it reduces injury and death!

Agreed, there is no difference. I for one do not believe in mandatory seat belt laws either. Again, it is stupid to not wear one. I wore one long before the insurance industry convinced the Federal government to bribe (well, reverse bribe in that they withheld money) states to enact seat belt laws. (I do believe in seat belt/restraint laws for children in vehicles. I accept that the society needs to step in to protect children from ignorant parents.)

Those who ride should be responsible enough, especially if they have a wife and kid, to have life insurance.

Actually, as I’m sure you will agree, anyone with a spouse and kid(s) should have life insurance whether they ride or not. It’s the responsible thing to do.

The use of helmets can be viewed the same way. Chances are, there are many riders out there riding without any or very little medical coverage and whenever they get hurt, somebody is stuck footing the bill.

If the use of helmets help save us money, I'm all for it. If there is any way to have the one's who choose not to ride without one who have no medical insurance can be just left on the side of the road left to die, I'm all for it.

This gets to the crux of the argument, I think. As a society, we seem to have decided that we won’t let people die if they do not have medical insurance and need medical treatment. Helmet and seatbelt laws seem to say, “I choose to not let you die if you need treatment and have no insurance. So you may cost me money if you wreck without a helmet. Therefore, I get to dictate your behavior.” That’s all well and good, but as I have stated before, based on that logic motorcycles should be banned altogether. They serve no necessary purpose. They are an impractical primary means of transportation. Many cars get better gas mileage than many bikes, so that argument is gone. The death rate is many times higher than for automobiles. They should be banned so that those who wreck them (helmet or not) and die do not stick me with the bill for caring for their dependents, or with medical or disability costs if they don’t happen to die. Also, there a lots of other unnecessary and dangerous activities that need to be banned, including:

Smoking (of course)
Drinking
Running/Jogging (lots of joggers get hit by cars)
Biking (like motorcycles but more dangerous since they cannot get out of their own way)
Eating anything except fruits and vegetables
Hiking
Skiing
Baseball/football/any sport with high speed projectiles that can and do kill people.
Driving a car over 20 mph
Etc.

The above is mostly tongue in cheek, just making a point.

To those who disagree, please do not take the above comments as personal affronts. I respect your opinions and certainly see your point of view. I just ask that you think through the complete consequences and ramifications of your position.

With the above said, I might be amenable to the idea of requiring some minimum life and health insurance if you ride without a helmet. I’ll have to think that through. I think the biggest problem I would have is that it would just put the government’s fingers into yet another area of everyone’s life.
 
I definitely agree with Victorb, Kazza and the other supporters of helmets on here. I have never climbed on my bike without my (full-face) helmet, jacket and fully enclosed shoes (excluding riding across the university campus - I leave my jacket in my locker), and most always wear jeans and gloves as well. I personally find it bonkers that a helmet is the only piece of required gear on a motorcycle - and those who whinge about motorcyclists getting a hard deal because we're a minority don't quite appreciate how slack our safety regs are competitive to the rest ofthe motoring world; because we're a minority!

On a side note, I agree with the above post that a full-face helmet also has it's downsides... I sneezed with my visor down the other day - FML
 
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