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Where do you guys legally carry your pistols?

Well, funny laws You have in the states :rolleyes:

Pulling a gun, and pointing it at someone would send You to Jail in my country. Its legal to carry a shotgun or a rifle if You have a hunting license - however I would not recommend this on a MC. Lock and ammo however has to be put apart from the gun.


It would in this Country also if he were caught. It is called Menacing.
 
It seems like a lot of people here that don't have experience with guns or concealed carry have an image of a criminal when this topic comes up. It is in fact exactly the opposite. It generally isn't easy to obtain a carry permit, it involves extensive background checks, in my state you needed two references (I used the mayor and a retired army seargent I work with), and it sounds like many states require you to take a course. Sadly PA does not. The fact is, if you do have a permit it means you've been investigated and assesed to be a law abiding citizen responsible enough to carry a deadly weapon. I have many friends and acquaintances that also have carry permits, none have ever "whipped out" a pistol and flashed it around, none use it to feel tough or bully people, it's exactly the opposite. You don't want anyone to know you are carrying, it is dangerous to do so. It sounds like many of you that are so opposed to private citizens carrying guns hang out with a group of retarded pychopaths if you think carrying is about flashing weapons at people, drawing down on people to intimidate them, or shooting someone in traffic for cutting them off. These are crimes, anyone that does this is a criminal. Yes I'm sure it happens with permit holders from time to time, but this is the exception not the standard. A guy pulling a gun on the freeway should be arrested and put in prison. The vast majority of concealed carry permit holders (and there are millions of us) are law abiding citizens that carry guns as a last resort to protect lives. If this makes you uncomfortable then you should consider the fact that during your entire life in the US you have been walking around surrounded by people carrying loaded firearms, everyday, and you never knew it.
 
I live Utah and have my concealed weapons permit. I carry in a holster at the waist. I read some of the post above and am a bit concerned as to why some people say they would try to out run a bad situation or can't shoot while on the motorcycle. Either of those chooses put you in more danger from my point of view. I would find a well lit area with alot of people and pull in and get off the bike. If they follow you in and try to confront you and you feel endangered, by all means do what is needed to protect yourself. Call the cops and report what happened too so whoever confronted you try to call and give a false report that you pulled a gun on them. Its a crazy world out there. I have and always carry my gun.
 
It seems alot of people are uninformed on the concealed handgun process. It's a 2 day training class(15hrs) with extensive background checks and costs ~$250 and alot of running from various state department buildings getting various signitures and having those signitures noterized to get it. IE a huge PITA. If you have anything above a speeding ticket on your record you're not getting a permit. The class goes over situations and focuses on situational awareness, something any motorcyclist should be practicing at all times. Trying to avoid situations before they happen, but as we all know, sometimes things goes down.

Any class that has to do with firearms, be it hunting, range, hell even shooting bb guns in boyscouts the first thing they should tell you is to never point a firearm at something you do not intend to destroy, and to treat every firearm as if it is loaded even if you "know" it is not.

The class also focuses on how to successfully communicate with people and bring them up to an adult level. Adult mentality will generally not result to violence, basically if you speak calmly and rationally and try to agree with the person rather than directly confront them, it changes thier behavior emmensly. IE, back down and see if the other party calms down so you can resolve the issue. and go on your merry way. .

And as a final resort the class pounds the idea that you use the minimum amount of force nessecary to stop the action being directed towards you. If you're able to walk in a different direction do it, if you're able to go into a public area do it. Warn the person verbally, "Hey buddy I know you're there, stop following me." If the person continues to advance or does not respond, and you get backed into a corner than it's obvious they don't just want to ask for directions. At that point you should feel threatened for your life and should draw your firearm with the intent to kill. Hopefully they'll tuck tail and run, but hesitation could mean life and death, after I pull my gun if they take another step that will be thier last. I have no doubt about that.

Unfortunatly, sometimes trying to talk to the guy running at you with a crowbar isn't a option. What do you do? Do you think you can outrun him? Or do you Know you can stop him. When my well being depends on it, I prefer to know

The class then goes over the ramifications of such an action. Things like if you shoot someone in fear of your life, the bullet goes through them and kills or injures another person, you goto prison. If you shoot someone to breaking into your neighbors house that you've known forever, and they didn't ask you specifally to watch thier property, you goto jail. If your gun is visable in public you can have your license suspended and face a fine. There are very specific times and situations where lethal force is nessecary, or legal. It's not like being a cowboy shooting people at the drop of a hat or something.
You have to pass a written test going over various situations, when you can and cannot use it, proper handling of your firearm, where it is legal to carry, and how to carry it.

You also have to qualify at a shooting range, from 3yards, 10yards, and 20yards, though admitably that part is a joke. You also have to renew and requalify at the range every 4 years.

The point is, the class isn't about getting a license to shoot people, it's about getting the tools to not have to shoot someone.

I personally carry my gun, (Khar .40) in my jacket, I have sewn extra CE form into the pocket in the event of a crash it will hopefully keep it from doing more than some bruising, should diffenatly keep it from puncturing anything. In my truck I carry it in a lower back holster. Will I ever use it while moving on my bike? No, it'd be damn near impossible and there is no point. There is no situation I can think of that you would suddenly find yourself in while moving that would require the use of a firearm. Now if I"m stopped at a stoplight and some guy pulls a gun on me, am I going to have time to pull it out of my pocket and shoot the guy? No. I'd simply get off the bike and give him what he wanted at that point until I had the opportunity to pull my firearm and stop the action. I'm not letting some asshat take off with possessions so he can go on with his life and take someone elses possessions, or possibly life down the road.

Basically having a CHL (Concealed handgun License) is a huge responsibility, not something people get lightly or on a whim. Will I ever have to use my gun? Maybe, I hope not. Will I be thankful I have it if I do need to use it? Without a doubt. Is a cop going to show up and save the day? Not a chance in hell.

I have choosen not to be a victim.

P.S. wow that's the longest post I've ever written :eyebrow:
 
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When you are woken up in the early morning by the large shadowy figure of a heroin addict attempting to force his way into the home of your mother and father who are sleeping soundly upstairs, like I did last year, you don't worry too much about the intellectual argument of gun ownership. You THANK GOD you had the forsight to protect yourself and your loved ones by becomming a responsible gun owner. Any argument that you never need a gun for protection is completely absurd and ignorant to me, it's not a hypothetical, intellectual, or abstract idea- it happened. To me. Had I been following your advice my family may have been killed, so save it. The majority of people will go about their lives never needing a gun, but not everyone. It is your constitutional right as a law abiding American citizen to bear arms. Again, I'd rather have it and not need it than need it and not have it. THAT'S why I carry a gun.

What I am saying is carrying guns on you not in the house. In the house its different. Transporting a gun on the bike and having it on you is what I have a problem with. I am glad that you and your family are ok.
 
I might be showing my historical ignorance...but wasnt the bosnian war between bosnia, croatia, and other parties across the globe? If so, then it is perhaps your opinion stemming from your home countries beliefs, that Gun owners do not need to carry pistols. If you are a veteran of the United States then I thank you for your service, but just because you were in a war doesnt mean you saw the need for combat or potential threat. Walk or Ride the downtown streets in major cities and you'll see the need for protection. In a desperate economy, for many it is easier to kill a person and take his belongings without second thought.

just my .02, but I know that as an American..It is my right.

LOL... my friend I am Bosnian and I have spent 3 1/2 yrs on front lines. I have seen the most horrible things you could ever imagine. So don't lecture me about this. And as matter of fact I do live close to a gheto where your slin color would get you in trouble, and I never needed to carry a gun. Gun owners should keep their guns at home is all I am saying. When you go apply for a gun licence they don't have an option to carry a hand gun do they?
Can we all just get of this never ending topic.... Pleaseeeeee ;)
 
i carry a gun because a cop is just too heavy
when seconds count, the cops are just minutes away
 
I've personally seen an incident where the opposite was true. I was following a cruiser in the passing lane of a 3-lane Interstate thru Albuquerque, when some ****head merged onto the interstate and cut across all three lanes so he could drive in the passing lane (he wasn't even up to speed yet!)
The cruiser driver laid on his horn, kept himself from being hit, but the driver of the merging vehicle flipped him off and started pulling into the passing lane anyway. The cruiser guy somehow pulled out a pistol, pointed it, and Mr. Merge flinched and suddenly drove a little more decently.
I passed that motorcyclist and gave him a hearty thumbs-up.
I'm not recommending this type of action for anyone, but sometimes, you just have to wonder...

Somehow, you sort of have to like this... Sorry, but Mr. Merge threatened the life of the Cruiser - vehicle as a weapon. Brandishing the means of self-defense - while a bit questionable - sure cleared things up.
 
I carry my s&w m&p .40 compact with two full size spare mags in the front pockets of my riding jacket (since I have my CCW). Keeps them out of my way yet right at hand should a situation arise. Also here in Reno we have street vibrations ( a harley festival basically) and guys on sportbikes who run into the wrong crowds on the wrong night could have trouble on their hands. As far as everyone who says that there's no need to carry a gun, you obviously haven't been in situations where it could have been needed. I carry a gun for the same reason i always carry a lighter, a flashlight, and a pocket knife, because I'd rather have and not need than need and not have. And I'll always choose to be tried by 12 over carried by 6
 
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