Where do you guys legally carry your pistols?

[wrightme43]

here is excerpt.

Lt. Colonel Grossman, a far better man than me, a man who does things I only talk about, writes in his introduction to The Bulletproof Mind:
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."
This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.
Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million total Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, "We intimidate those who intimidate others."
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.
He continues:
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured, by school violence than by school fires, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their children is just too hard, so they choose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. As Kipling said in his poem about "Tommy" the British soldier:
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that,
an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir,"
when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys,
there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir,"
when there's trouble in the wind.
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
While there is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, he does have one real advantage -- only one. He is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.
[Emphasis mine � BW]

 

[Keits]

I was waiting for that too, it was, after all, Albuquerque. I think the cruiser guy was just trying to defend himself, although he probably should have braked or sped up instead.

I'll bet mr. merge was a bit more careful with his driving, for a long time (at least a couple of hours!)

There is a part of me that rejoices at an a-hole getting the crap scared out of him, however, in Delaware what the cruiser guy did with his weapon is considered aggravated menacing which is a felony. You cannot use your weapon to intimidate someone without the belief of imminent bodily harm to yourself or another.

 

[dako81]

no offense to you, or your State man but this post scares the crap out of me.

Why? Are you scared of people ready and willing to defend themselves and others around them?

The police have guns. But they're a clean up crew. They can't be everywhere, all the time.

 

[Hollow]

Tank bag. Carry tank bag in with me everywhere. Leave gun at home if going to the courthouse.

Flashing a gun is stupid, irresponible bullcrap. It will also get you killed. If you have pulled a gun out and have no intention of using it you will sooner or later get shot by someone that does not know you have no intention of using it.

A firearm is a absolute last resort. As I have said before, if you follow me, corner me, and allow me no means of escape, and I fear for my life, I will not hesitate to defend myself with deadly force. In Ky I do not have to do this, the only real requirement in a court of law is fear for your own safety. I am not a doofus, or a cowboy. I am not a wolf that preys on the weak, or innocent. I however am not a sheep to be preyed upon by the wolf. I am a sheepdog. I will do everything in my power to avoid having to take someone else life, but I will not surrender my own.

Read this. It takes 45 minutes. Before you post any kneejerk reaction to the fact that some of us choose to carry a firearm legally, and to take the responibility to use it if the time ever comes.

NSFW there are cusswords. None vulgar, but they are there. Normally this man never posts cusswords, they belong in this essay.
Eject! Eject! Eject!: TRIBES

Decide what you want to be. Seriously think about it. This happens. I know a woman who was dragged into a alley, raped by two men, who then stomped her almost to death and left her for dead. Now she has a CCDW. I would much rather of it been that she shot those two men because she had CCDW prior to.

It happens everyday. People disapear everyday. There are literally 1000s and 1000s of unmarked graves all over the country. I can site horribley graphic examples of what can happen to you, or the ones you love. If you want pm me. I will not put those links in this forum.

Thanks for the post you see openly as I do. Reality.

 

[Hollow]

There is a part of me that rejoices at an a-hole getting the crap scared out of him, however, in Delaware what the cruiser guy did with his weapon is considered aggravated menacing which is a felony. You cannot use your weapon to intimidate someone without the belief of imminent bodily harm to yourself or another.

I aggre with you.

 

[Hollow]

here is excerpt.

Lt. Colonel Grossman, a far better man than me, a man who does things I only talk about, writes in his introduction to The Bulletproof Mind:
One Vietnam veteran, an old retired colonel, once said this to me: "Most of the people in our society are sheep. They are kind, gentle, productive creatures who can only hurt one another by accident."
This is true. Remember, the murder rate is six per 100,000 per year, and the aggravated assault rate is four per 1,000 per year. What this means is that the vast majority of Americans are not inclined to hurt one another.
Some estimates say that two million Americans are victims of violent crimes every year, a tragic, staggering number, perhaps an all-time record rate of violent crime. But there are almost 300 million total Americans, which means that the odds of being a victim of violent crime is considerably less than one in a hundred on any given year. Furthermore, since many violent crimes are committed by repeat offenders, the actual number of violent citizens is considerably less than two million.
Thus there is a paradox, and we must grasp both ends of the situation: We may well be in the most violent times in history, but violence is still remarkably rare. This is because most citizens are kind, decent people who are not capable of hurting each other, except by accident or under extreme provocation. They are sheep.
I mean nothing negative by calling them sheep. To me it is like the pretty, blue robin's egg. Inside it is soft and gooey but someday it will grow into something wonderful. But the egg cannot survive without its hard blue shell. Police officers, soldiers and other warriors are like that shell, and someday the civilization they protect will grow into something wonderful. For now, though, they need warriors to protect them from the predators.
"Then there are the wolves," the old war veteran said, "and the wolves feed on the sheep without mercy." Do you believe there are wolves out there who will feed on the flock without mercy? You better believe it. There are evil men in this world and they are capable of evil deeds. The moment you forget that or pretend it is not so, you become a sheep. There is no safety in denial.
"Then there are sheepdogs," he went on, "and I'm a sheepdog. I live to protect the flock and confront the wolf." Or, as a sign in one California law enforcement agency put it, "We intimidate those who intimidate others."
If you have no capacity for violence then you are a healthy productive citizen: a sheep. If you have a capacity for violence and no empathy for your fellow citizens, then you have defined an aggressive sociopath--a wolf. But what if you have a capacity for violence, and a deep love for your fellow citizens? Then you are a sheepdog, a warrior, someone who is walking the hero's path. Someone who can walk into the heart of darkness, into the universal human phobia, and walk out unscathed.
He continues:
Let me expand on this old soldier's excellent model of the sheep, wolves, and sheepdogs. We know that the sheep live in denial; that is what makes them sheep. They do not want to believe that there is evil in the world. They can accept the fact that fires can happen, which is why they want fire extinguishers, fire sprinklers, fire alarms and fire exits throughout their kids' schools. But many of them are outraged at the idea of putting an armed police officer in their kid's school. Our children are dozens of times more likely to be killed, and thousands of times more likely to be seriously injured, by school violence than by school fires, but the sheep's only response to the possibility of violence is denial. The idea of someone coming to kill or harm their children is just too hard, so they choose the path of denial.
The sheep generally do not like the sheepdog. He looks a lot like the wolf. He has fangs and the capacity for violence. The difference, though, is that the sheepdog must not, cannot and will not ever harm the sheep. Any sheepdog that intentionally harms the lowliest little lamb will be punished and removed. The world cannot work any other way, at least not in a representative democracy or a republic such as ours.
Still, the sheepdog disturbs the sheep. He is a constant reminder that there are wolves in the land. They would prefer that he didn't tell them where to go, or give them traffic tickets, or stand at the ready in our airports in camouflage fatigues holding an M-16. The sheep would much rather have the sheepdog cash in his fangs, spray paint himself white, and go, "Baa." Until the wolf shows up. Then the entire flock tries desperately to hide behind one lonely sheepdog. As Kipling said in his poem about "Tommy" the British soldier:
While it's Tommy this, an' Tommy that,
an' "Tommy, fall be'ind,"
But it's "Please to walk in front, sir,"
when there's trouble in the wind,
There's trouble in the wind, my boys,
there's trouble in the wind,
O it's "Please to walk in front, sir,"
when there's trouble in the wind.
Understand that there is nothing morally superior about being a sheepdog; it is just what you choose to be. Also understand that a sheepdog is a funny critter: He is always sniffing around out on the perimeter, checking the breeze, barking at things that go bump in the night, and yearning for a righteous battle. That is, the young sheepdogs yearn for a righteous battle. The old sheepdogs are a little older and wiser, but they move to the sound of the guns when needed right along with the young ones.
Here is how the sheep and the sheepdog think differently. The sheep pretend the wolf will never come, but the sheepdog lives for that day. After the attacks on September 11, 2001, most of the sheep, that is, most citizens in America said, "Thank God I wasn't on one of those planes." The sheepdogs, the warriors, said, "Dear God, I wish I could have been on one of those planes. Maybe I could have made a difference." When you are truly transformed into a warrior and have truly invested yourself into warriorhood, you want to be there. You want to be able to make a difference.
While there is nothing morally superior about the sheepdog, the warrior, he does have one real advantage -- only one. He is able to survive and thrive in an environment that destroys 98 percent of the population.
[Emphasis mine � BW]

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[Scott64a]

Hmmm, idk about SC, but I know that in GA you can have a loaded pistol in your glove box or center console, but to have it in a backpack in your vehicle is considered "concealed", and warrants the ownership of a concealed carry permit.

I bet if you kept one on your bike in a backpack here and had no place else to put it, (say, otw to the range or something,) not too many cops would give you crap.

Now, I know that it's legal to carry NOT concealed, as in, on your hip or thigh in plain view and not into courthouses, etc...

So long as they can see it and don't have to "find" it somehow.

I have a Ruger BH with a 6.5" barrel, so it would probably hang out from under my jacket.
-Not illegal.

I am just going to go ahead and get my CCP; it will swiftly handle any issues wo having to go through the hassle. A friend of mine has his CC permit, and keep his in his tank bag.

For those who condemn the carry of a pistol, you should know that the people who are granted these permits have to go through a very extensive background check, and in some states have to go through a pistol safety course.
They're not easy to get, and the people who carry legally are very conscious of what they have under their vest. They are some of the MOST law-abiding citizens in this country, and if some jackhole starts shooting up Target while you and the kiddies are doing a little shopping, you'll be glad when the madman is put out of commision by a carrying citizen.

If there were more people who took the initiative to carry protection like this, we wouldn't have shooting sprees that go on for hours and lots of other innocent people getting shot. The idea is to reduce collateral damage to the initial incindent, be it a bank robbery that gets hot, or just your one-in-a-million psycho that decides to unload his weapons into people at a shopping mall.

The point here is this:
You can call 911, and wait for the police to show up, size-up the entire situation, go in blind and TRY to subdue the perpetrator, (which takes at least 10 minutes,) or someone who has inside knowledge of the ENTIRE incident can just take dip****e's head off and keep the damages down to a minimum. Game over.

The problem with any public service, (mine included,) is that when SECONDS count, we're there in MINUTES.

A lot of innocent people can be killed in one minute, never mind several.

Instead of pretending that lunatics don't commit armed crime, wanton murder, and carjackings, and that your goverment can protect you at all times, imagine for a split second that WE the people are all responsible for what goes down, wherever we are.
We can create good, we can create bad. We can choose to let someone else take up arms against extreme injustice, (murder, etc.,) or we can actually have the courage to do something in those situations and feel good about it. We can serve our communities in this way, but most people choose to cower and wait it out.

So the next time you watch a Michael Moore movie, or see Rosie O'Donnel on the TV, remember that they have armed bodyguards with them most of the time, and security around their houses. Remember that even the most anti-gun politician has armed servicemen escort them everywhere, and ask yourself this:
"Where is MY protection? Who is going to go to bat for ME?"

Here's your answer:
YOU. Are you prepared?

 

[PrayHarder]

Wow, what an interesting thread !

So, I have several close friends and family members in law enforcement and have heard from both sides a lot.

I have had my CWP for 7 years. I carry any chance that I can, sadly I cannot at work.

I must start first and formost with, if you are going to carry, support what you are doing and get the CWP, if you don't you are just showing the people that are wanting to take our rights away, that there aren't that many people out there carrying.

Also, if you do carry (legally or illegally *read without a CWP and loaded concealed*) (in washington if it is loaded you must have it locked up and out of sight or unloaded!!!) please do it responsibly, don't leave a gun unattended, none of this just in the glove box, arm rest, tank bag, saddle bag crap! You are just asking for someone to get hurt. Imagine your child or grand child needing a ride home you pick them up, have to go back in and grab one more thing and then hear a boom from inside the house....please don't be stupid.

When you carry you should carry a gun that you are VERY familier with, go out and shoot it ALL the time. You should be able to draw your gun take the safety off and put your double tap into center of mass WITHOUT ever taking your eyes off of the bad guy.

Also, if you carry decide before hand what you are going to use your gun for...It is NOT for intimidation. No one will ever know I am carring untill they hear a shot and see smoke wafting in the air. I will not pull it out unless it is going to be fired.

And with that, I will not ever fire my gun, unless someone's life is threatened. My wallet is not worth killing someone over, or my car, or bike, laptop etc....only if my life, my wife's or my child's life isthreatened will my gun be shot, and when it is I will be shooting to kill. If you only shoot them in the arm/knee/leg etc, then you haven't eliminated the threat...they still can have a gun, and if you have already shot they WILL be shooting. Do not shoot unless you are going to die (or you family) and IF you shoot, shoot to kill (that was the reason you started shooting, remember?)

If you think about the pure monetary part of it, how much do you think a court case will cost if you pull out your gun and threaten someone? More than likely it will be more than you are carrying in your wallet.

Also, taking a human life (whether it is a bad guy's or not) is not equal to whatever money you happen to have. Or your car, bike etc...

Back to the main question, I generally carry in the small of my back (SOB), either a PPK/S .380 acp or a 92FS. These are the only guns that I have holsters for that fit on the motorcycle.

I will be getting a SOB holster for my Kimber Pro Carry .45 ACP soon.

Ben

 

[teeter]

First: I'm not about to get into this one. I have strong, possibly closed-minded opinions on this subject. I'll check those at the door.

Second: Ok, it's not a pistol and as such is a little off topic, but I saw this last year at the local BMW dealership's Oktoberfest and thought it was interesting.

I don't remember it looking so huge at the time. Maybe it's just the perspective?

 

[lonesoldier84]

First: I'm not about to get into this one. I have strong, possibly closed-minded opinions on this subject. I'll check those at the door.

Second: Ok, it's not a pistol and as such is a little off topic, but I saw this last year at the local BMW dealership's Oktoberfest and thought it was interesting.

I don't remember it looking so huge at the time. Maybe it's just the perspective?

thats not a gun-rack on a motorcycle, thats a motorcycle on a gun-rack

 

[wrightme43]

How about a little Deptment of Righteous Shootings.

The Other Side of Kim du Toit - TheOtherSideofKim Front Page

 

[wrightme43]

NewsChannel 5.com - Nashville, Tennessee - Man Shot, Killed After Allegedly Trying To Rape Girls

 

[davidsa1]

My main concern would be falling on the gun and having it dig into me (cracked ribs can puncture lungs...etc.)

I hear about people putting them in holsters on their hips or upper body. some people also put them in tank bags.

can't have a hand gun IN chicago.



Not my helmet....

In my only accident if had my gun with me it would have been holstered on my left side. In the crash I lacerated my spleen and bruised my left lung I would hate to think what other damage I would have suffered if I had my gun. The only time I have my gun with me on the bike is on the way to the range and it is in my tank bag.

 

[vinpub]

I personally do not see any issue with carrying guns, but I am sure you will receive a lot of opinions in reponse.
To answer your question, I am not sure about carrying it on person but tank bag would seem to be the most appropriate place. It's easily accessible while sitting on the bike, and it is always in front of you (i have lost a soft case on the back once and didn't even notice until ater about a few miles). And it is also the easiest to take it with you when you park and go!

 

[Hellgate]

First of all, let me thank you for your service, and please stay safe. I could not do what you do.

In your experience a gun might be uncalled for, but for many people out there anything less would have let them become "another victim.

I agree that the CCW class should not be the only experience. But generally if someone is enthusiastic enough to get a CCW, they're enthusiastic enough to target shoot often. Most people I know who have a CCW actually target practice more often than police

Thank you, I consider serving the country an honor and I'm happy to do it.

If a person wishes to carry a weapon I feel that they need additional tactical training and understanding why they should fire if needed. I have friends who are police and in their 10, 15 and one 25 years of street police service have NEVER fire a weapon at someone, let alone drawn and they can be in tight spots daily. I could never be a state trooper doing traffice stops all day. My nerves would be shot, no pun intended.

For a police officer their weapon is the last resort when all attempts have failed to convince a person to cooperate and their personal safety is threatened. Yes the other person knows they are a police officer and they have a weapon but the police TALK the person into cooperating. As a citizen the same thing is possible too.

Police are also taught to differentiate between targets, ie: bad guys vs. good guys in a tight spot. Things happen in a blink of an eye and if you are not trained to react the correct way you may end up shooting the wrong person.

Shooting targets is great but it is not done under stress and pressure. Stress and pressure change the whole situation. In the Army the joke is the guy on a one way shooting range may not be the guy who is good on a two way shooting range. Two way changes the whole thing in a big way. When you hear a snap and then the bang from a weapon your heart goes into triple over time in a very big way!

I've been through weeks of MOUT (Military Operation in Urban Terrain) training, ie: SWAT, house to house, room to room fighting, and I've shot my buddies and I've been shot; many, many times. All with lasers. It is a very hard skill to master and you have to practice it over and over and over to stay sharp.

I feel that most citizens do not have the time for that level of practice and carrying a weapon will only make the situation that much more dangerous. Other non-leathal weapons such at TASERS and pepper spray can be just as effective. They buy you the time to get the heck out of there and save your hide. Bottomline, that is what it is all about.

So back on thread. If I was to carry a firearm I'd simply carry it in a holster on my belt. I feel that if the other person sees the weapon they will leave you alone. If it is hidden the deturent isn't there.

Have a great weekend and enjoy an nice ride. :thumbup:

 

[Hollow]

Hmmm, idk about SC, but I know that in GA you can have a loaded pistol in your glove box or center console, but to have it in a backpack in your vehicle is considered "concealed", and warrants the ownership of a concealed carry permit.

I bet if you kept one on your bike in a backpack here and had no place else to put it, (say, otw to the range or something,) not too many cops would give you crap.

Now, I know that it's legal to carry NOT concealed, as in, on your hip or thigh in plain view and not into courthouses, etc...

So long as they can see it and don't have to "find" it somehow.

I have a Ruger BH with a 6.5" barrel, so it would probably hang out from under my jacket.
-Not illegal.

I am just going to go ahead and get my CCP; it will swiftly handle any issues wo having to go through the hassle. A friend of mine has his CC permit, and keep his in his tank bag.

For those who condemn the carry of a pistol, you should know that the people who are granted these permits have to go through a very extensive background check, and in some states have to go through a pistol safety course.
They're not easy to get, and the people who carry legally are very conscious of what they have under their vest. They are some of the MOST law-abiding citizens in this country, and if some jackhole starts shooting up Target while you and the kiddies are doing a little shopping, you'll be glad when the madman is put out of commision by a carrying citizen.

If there were more people who took the initiative to carry protection like this, we wouldn't have shooting sprees that go on for hours and lots of other innocent people getting shot. The idea is to reduce collateral damage to the initial incindent, be it a bank robbery that gets hot, or just your one-in-a-million psycho that decides to unload his weapons into people at a shopping mall.

The point here is this:
You can call 911, and wait for the police to show up, size-up the entire situation, go in blind and TRY to subdue the perpetrator, (which takes at least 10 minutes,) or someone who has inside knowledge of the ENTIRE incident can just take dip****e's head off and keep the damages down to a minimum. Game over.

The problem with any public service, (mine included,) is that when SECONDS count, we're there in MINUTES.

A lot of innocent people can be killed in one minute, never mind several.

Instead of pretending that lunatics don't commit armed crime, wanton murder, and carjackings, and that your goverment can protect you at all times, imagine for a split second that WE the people are all responsible for what goes down, wherever we are.
We can create good, we can create bad. We can choose to let someone else take up arms against extreme injustice, (murder, etc.,) or we can actually have the courage to do something in those situations and feel good about it. We can serve our communities in this way, but most people choose to cower and wait it out.

So the next time you watch a Michael Moore movie, or see Rosie O'Donnel on the TV, remember that they have armed bodyguards with them most of the time, and security around their houses. Remember that even the most anti-gun politician has armed servicemen escort them everywhere, and ask yourself this:
"Where is MY protection? Who is going to go to bat for ME?"

Here's your answer:
YOU. Are you prepared?

Thank you.

 

[Hollow]

Wow, what an interesting thread !

So, I have several close friends and family members in law enforcement and have heard from both sides a lot.

I have had my CWP for 7 years. I carry any chance that I can, sadly I cannot at work.

I must start first and formost with, if you are going to carry, support what you are doing and get the CWP, if you don't you are just showing the people that are wanting to take our rights away, that there aren't that many people out there carrying.

Also, if you do carry (legally or illegally *read without a CWP and loaded concealed*) (in washington if it is loaded you must have it locked up and out of sight or unloaded!!!) please do it responsibly, don't leave a gun unattended, none of this just in the glove box, arm rest, tank bag, saddle bag crap! You are just asking for someone to get hurt. Imagine your child or grand child needing a ride home you pick them up, have to go back in and grab one more thing and then hear a boom from inside the house....please don't be stupid.

When you carry you should carry a gun that you are VERY familier with, go out and shoot it ALL the time. You should be able to draw your gun take the safety off and put your double tap into center of mass WITHOUT ever taking your eyes off of the bad guy.

Also, if you carry decide before hand what you are going to use your gun for...It is NOT for intimidation. No one will ever know I am carring untill they hear a shot and see smoke wafting in the air. I will not pull it out unless it is going to be fired.

And with that, I will not ever fire my gun, unless someone's life is threatened. My wallet is not worth killing someone over, or my car, or bike, laptop etc....only if my life, my wife's or my child's life isthreatened will my gun be shot, and when it is I will be shooting to kill. If you only shoot them in the arm/knee/leg etc, then you haven't eliminated the threat...they still can have a gun, and if you have already shot they WILL be shooting. Do not shoot unless you are going to die (or you family) and IF you shoot, shoot to kill (that was the reason you started shooting, remember?)

If you think about the pure monetary part of it, how much do you think a court case will cost if you pull out your gun and threaten someone? More than likely it will be more than you are carrying in your wallet.

Also, taking a human life (whether it is a bad guy's or not) is not equal to whatever money you happen to have. Or your car, bike etc...

Back to the main question, I generally carry in the small of my back (SOB), either a PPK/S .380 acp or a 92FS. These are the only guns that I have holsters for that fit on the motorcycle.

I will be getting a SOB holster for my Kimber Pro Carry .45 ACP soon.

Ben

Thank you very much for your reply alot of knowledge advice and support. I appreciate the reminders also :thumbup:

 

[Cuba]

To revive an old thread (I'm bored at work), I carry a KelTec .380 in my inside jacket pocket. Personally I believe that your carry piece should be carried (by you) at all times, not at the bottom of a bag strapped to a motorcycle. Get your CCP if you want to carry. I have been in the unfortunate situation where having a firearm may have saved lives, it was an attempted home invasion while visiting my parents, so I tend to carry a lot these days. What can I say, I'm a sheepdog. I'd much rather have it and not need it than the other way around.

 

[Fred]

Without getting into gun rights, I think that it's a bad idea to carry on a bike.

If you wreck, you have a large lump of metal strapped to your ribs or hip. That's going to break bones.

As far as protection on a bike, I agree with others. Superior speed, braking and handling should allow you to evade most any situation.

 

[hedmisten]

I carry my gun only on long trips. My buddy on his r6 and me on the fz are making a trip to PA in one day on October 3rd. For situations like this, I'll carry the pistol with the clip removed in my saddlebags.