separation of church and state

[lonesoldier84]

the founding fathers of the US felt VERY strongly about this. Palin, and to a lesser extent Bush, have and will continue to erode that ideal. the country will be weaker for it. religious figures will hold away over the state and its affairs. That is a dangerous future.


thoughts?

 

[hedmisten]

one nation under God...

 

[Fred]

I think that religion has no place in government. (And government is in many places where it has no place.)

If you're a Christian, think about how you'd feel about a Islamic government. Or if you're Islamic, think about a Jewish government. Etc.

There are so many conflicting beliefs that as long as one holds political power, there will be a large number of people who are unhappy with the situation.

My $0.02

 

[Fred]

one nation under God...

Not written by any of the founding fathers. In fact, it was published as part of a campaign to sell flags. It's not a pillar of this country, it's marketing.

Also, the words "under God" weren't added until 1951

 

[hedmisten]

very true Fred. I find it amusing that most people don't realize we are a diverse nation. I believe what I believe and joe schmo can believe his own. We are a melting pot who will have any current president's religion recognized.

 

[cv_rider]

Just look to Iran if you think a theocracy is the ideal form of government.

 

[hedmisten]

oh and to lone soldier...are you even a US citizen, or is the United States that much of a hot topic

 

[lonesoldier84]

i enjoy US history. Canadian history is kind of bland.....GOOOOO WHEAT CONTROL BOARD REFORMS OF 1871!!!!!!!!!!!

but I enjoy all kinds of history (yes even the progression of unification in the prairies and the role centralized agriculture played to *falls asleep*)

 

[Fred]

Well, there was the War of 1812.

You know, the one where Canada fought the USA and WON!

And I'm all about wheat control reforms.

 

[lonesoldier84]

haha, i know...that is a FACT the POWERS THAT BE in the US have GLOSSED OVER.

well no more:

THE UNITED STATES AND CANADA HAVE ONLY FOUGHT ONE WAR.....AND WE WON!! WOOOOT!!!

The Louis Riel period was pretty sweet, but apart from that it is pretty sparse (and that includes pre- and post-confederation)

 

[lonesoldier84]

All I have to say is keep it civil. Or I'll be happy to close this thread too.:thumbup:

Continue.

as long as you dont speak ill of centralized agriculture in the prairie provinces I will not plunge my knife into your back.....

and as for the rest, this is a mature crowd here, i dont think it will get out of hand. i just wanted to get a sense of everyone's stance on the issue. As a Canadian we just hear a lot about "amerrricunns" i was just trying to get a cross-section of how real people felt about this issue.

 

[OZXJR]

Well, there was the War of 1812.

You know, the one where Canada fought the USA and WON!

And I'm all about wheat control reforms.

Canada fought the USA !

I shoulda paid more attention at school me thinks

That would be like Australia an New Zealand having a go at each other.............outside of sport that is .

 

[DefyInertia]

It should be illegal to kill someone because such a law keeps the peace etc. etc. etc....not because it's wrong. So yeah, I wish it was far more seperate in this country.

 

[casual_lee]

It's gonna be like that movie Canadian Bacon. lol

 

[tom5796]

Please don't discount Obama's ability to bring the two (government and church) closer together. He will gladly take your money and give it to churches.

Obama vows $500m in faith-based aid - The Boston Globe

 

[Jman]

The movie Religulous makes a very strong focus on this issue.

 

[Raid The Revenge]

Religion in government? Those two words are like chocolate chips in cookies. Having government WITHOUT religion is like buying a box of:

Then trying to take out ALL the little bits of chocolate. It's impossible. Even if you could do it; two seconds later someone will "contaminate" it with another one.

We're just going to have to accept the fact that religion is a part of government. YOU NEED TO BELIEVE IN SOMETHING IN ORDER TO MAKE IT WORK.

 

[Jman]

I am okay with people believing in whatever they wish, until they begin to impose on other peoples human rights with it. That seems to be the major problem with religion to me. I'm a big fan of Love(defined as the spirit of wanting the best for everyone and everything), believing in yourself(as a part of Love especially) and treating other people the way you would want to be treated.:Flash:

 

[sportrider]

one nation under God...

In God we trust. this country was founded with core values. the proof of it is everywhere.

 

[mastakilla]

I think that religion has no place in government. (And government is in many places where it has no place.)

Exactly. Religion should be a personal thing, and I'm happy to read that a lot of people on here agree.

I'm convinced that people should be free to gather and practise their faith, but it has no place in government. And whenever Bush adds the words "god bless america" to his speech, a cold shiver goes down my spine. As far as I'm concerned, there is no god, so I would like all "believers" to just keep that to themselves.