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Who called him a moron?

Since when is putting other people in REAL danger, not to mention all the other potential downsides, ok?

I've done TONS of stupid things, both on and off a bike. I'm extremely fortunate not to have killed myself or more importantly taken someone else out. When Nick, who clearly is way over his head when draggin knee, takes out your wife on a public road, or your dog even, I'm sure you'll be singing a different tune.

Do I think Nick is a bad guy? No, not at all. I think he's probably a lot like me, just slightly greener when it comes to how quickly things can go really really wrong. He's got the same mind set I had not that long ago, but guess what? It's an uninformed, selfish, and extremely dangerous mindset. People are way too complacent about riding out of control on public streets.

Lastly, draggin toe/peg/knee, getting scared ****less, and chopping the throttle is not "normal and safe". A little fun is not worth all the risk, and you can't justifiably make the call for the other people on the road. This isn't about riding fast, this is about riding under control.

Some people don't fully understand why good gear is important. Some people don't fully understand why a self-inflicted close call is NOT ok.
 
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DefyInertia said:
Who called him a moron?

Since when is putting other people in REAL danger, not to mention all the other potential downsides, ok?

I've done TONS of stupid things, both on and off a bike. I'm extremely fortunate not to have killed myself or more importantly taken someone else out. When Nick, who clearly is way over his head when draggin knee, takes out your wife on a public road, or your dog even, I'm sure you'll be singing a different tune.

Do I think Nick is a bad guy? No, not at all. I think he's probably a lot like me, just slightly greener when it comes to how quickly things can go really really wrong. He's got the same mind set I had not that long ago, but guess what? It's an uninformed, selfish, and extremely dangerous mindset. People are way too complacent about riding out of control on public streets.

Lastly, draggin toe/peg/knee, getting scared ****less, and chopping the throttle is not \\"normal and safe\\". A little fun is not worth all the risk, and you can't justifiably make the call for other for the other people on the road. This isn't about riding fast, this is about riding under control.

Some people don't fully understand why good gear is important. Some people don't fully understand why a self-inflicted close call is NOT ok.
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Can't say it any clearer than this post, I'm glad I'm not the only one who feels this way.

I will add one thought: If you don't want to be criticized or derided for your riding activities in public, don't post them in a public discussion forum.
 
Woah woah woah, no need for under lined words! I hear what you're saying. I just thought it was a bit harsh to use nasty sarcastic remarks when the guy did something every rider does at some point, scrape peg and get scared because it was the first time. We all have or will do it at some point and it sounded like he did it in a very safe way to me. As a reference to why I feel that way I scraped on an uphill left hairpin the other day and endangered absolutely no one but myself. I've also done it on a deserted roundabout at a mall that was closed at the time, again endangered no one but myself. Both with a far more experienced rider with me and neither at high speeds. So generally you're right but not always. Just sticking up for the guy.
 
:Flip: on the underlined words comment :D

first I called him a moron, now I was making nasty/sarcastic remarks? I responded AFTER he wrote this....

fz6nick said:
Go buy a harley, nobody is gonna ride perfectly safe everytime, even if they try, they will encounter \"bumbs in the road\"
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And I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the draggin peg issue, everyone has done it.

But you say he did it in a "very safe way" - are you reading the same OP I'm reading?

Anyway, not trying to tear anyone up, just speaking my mind about the situation.
 
The good thing is once you've scraped you now know you and bike will be fine so it won't surpise you the next time. Now about the next time, sign up for a track day so if you do have a problem and do happen to go down you will have a much smaller chance of getting hurt or hurting another.

Once you get it down in a controlled environment you can then work on steering the bike with the throttle and using your knee to control the drift. Now that is FUN! But you really need to be on a track to get to that point, the street simply isn't the place to learn.

BTW are you on your stock tires? If so you need to buy good rubber.
 
DefyInertia said:
:Flip: on the underlined words comment :D

first I called him a moron, now I was making nasty/sarcastic remarks? I responded AFTER he wrote this....



And I'm not sure why you're so hung up on the draggin peg issue, everyone has done it.

But you say he did it in a \"very safe way\" - are you reading the same OP I'm reading?

Anyway, not trying to tear anyone up, just speaking my mind about the situation.
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Sorry it was really the other guy that posted and you agreed with that I refer to as nasty and sarcastic.
 
Cuba said:
Sorry it was really the other guy that posted and you agreed with that I refer to as nasty and sarcastic.
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That's me. So what? You're taking a tangent from the subject with any reference to my tone of reply. There was a post about somebody's riding experience, with a few replies that I thought were too soft.

I stand behind my comment, his description of his actions show a lack of riding maturity. He validated my impression with his post HERE.
 
we all make mistakes and hopefully learn from them.
I am with Hellgate though in suggesting that a track is better for learning high speed stuff than the street.
no spoilsport intentions, it's just a more forgiving atsmosphere and with no traffic to watch out for it's noticeably safer.

ride safe
 
Have to agree that scraping peg/draggin knee is not for the public roads. Riding at 75% is probably as far as you should go on any public road. That'll give you room for reaction to things that happen on these type of roads (debris/animals/cars in wrong lane/etc.).
 
I dont think its such a big deal to drag a knee on a public road as long as there is no traffic. It sounds like there wasn't any traffic and he said he was familiar with the road, so why is there such a fuss about him getting scared after experiencing something new? so far this year every single person that I ride with has went down and they are all safe riders with the exception of one (he's a moron). I'm the only one that hasn't went down yet and I'm hoping I don't, but statistics say I will. my point is most people only learn from there own mistakes not yours.
 
It was about 730 out in the boondocks. I saw maybe a car every 2 miles. Im not bragging or anything, Ive ridden 3250 miles in the canyons already and thats my first time anything has happend. Id be a lot faster if I didnt have fear of going of the side of the mountain, unlike a lot of riders out there. I guess thats why I havent crashed yet, knock on wood.

Its kinda like your first time with a girl in bed, your gonna be nervous and not know what to expect. Its not like I was scraping peg on a 120mph sweeper it was a 30 mph or so posted turn. Now I know how far to lean it over and what is going to happen track or not.

If i put myself in danger, thats my fault. You guys arent my mother, you shouldnt worry. I agree with other people, but there was barely anyone on the road.

Im still young to riding, only 20k miles or so under my belt, and just over 3k in the canyons. Thanks for the advice "mean" or not, Id like to learn as much as I can.

As for the cool Palomar pics. Ive never seen anything like this. I dont care if they are over doing it, just leaning off to far to touch knee infront of a camera, it was cool to see 15 feet from me. Palomar is a place to go where you know your at great risk. I am probably one of the slowest riders on Palomar. I just ride to cruise and see other bikes. I have been passed by people riding 2 up.

I hope you guys can tell that I do have common sense, I dont ride 100% on the streets all the time. I dont ride like a squid, im just trying to learn the sport the safest way possible.
 
jmerch44 said:
so why is there such a fuss about him getting scared after experiencing something new?
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The "fuss" is about riding out of control. I don't think there is really any argument to be made that he was under control. This is not meant to be an insult. :confused:

jmerch44 said:
my point is most people only learn from there own mistakes not yours.
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so give up? f it? your point is a valid one, but the more mistakes I make and the older I get the more inclined I am to learn from the mistakes of others.
 
DefyInertia said:
So did you remove your peg feelers yet?
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What's the best way to remove them?

Out with a race instructor he recommended removing them as well...we were canyon carving and turning while hanging off the bike...this was up in Ojai. It was a lesson, no cars (I think I saw about 10 total in the 8 hours of riding we did), not ONE cop...if anybody wants the route, this is it and I'd be MORE THAN HAPPY to ride it with you...and I'll call up Chris (the instructor) and he'll come out and instruct!

Chris Brown's Ultimate Ojai Ride
 
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