Now I'm asking for help/ideas

[ChevyFazer]

I went on a "extremely" hard ride over the weekend to my usual spot. When I say "extremely hard" I mean my bike would spend about a hr never dropping below 8k and mainly staying above 10k, then hit a slower road where it was 1st gear only dropping to maybe 6k then WOT to 14k and doing this for about 30min, went back to the fast road, stopped for about a hour then did it all again then back home, and the ride too and from was about a hr long at 8k and up as well. So basically it was about 2 1/2hrs of a 10k average break followed by another 2 1/2hr 10k average. I got home parked the bike lubed chain, looked it over as I always do after beating on it and didn't touch it again until the next morning on my way to work. That morning the bike started right up nothing unusual but after a short maybe 3mile ride to the gas station that I stop at every morning when I went to start it back up is what puzzled me. I put the key in turned it on, speedo did its song and dance then hit start, it fired right up and ran for maybe 1sec then shut down, check engine light came on and I'm pretty sure there was a 19 on the bottom on the speedo but no letters in front of it. So I turned the key off and tried again, same thing, fired up then shut down instantly with check engine light on and again I think the number 19 with no letters just 19 then went blank. Turned the bike back off pulled the key put it back in, started it up and it hasn't done it since. I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary since beating I the bike other than that, no wierd sounds, smells or other problems its still runs like a champ so is puzzling me why it did that. Anyone have any ideas?

 

[Jman]

Had a similar problem with my bike. I filled up at the gas station. Tried to start it, it began to turn over and stopped. Tried again and it acted like the battery was dying. All of the sudden the screen / ecu rebooted. I was able to start it and get home. Thought my battery was going, so I bought a new lithium iron battery for it. However, I took it out last weekend (with original battery) with no issues. Beginning to wonder if there is something goofy going on with the gasoline I used. Bought some seafoam, too. Wonder if there is something wrong with the gas you got, as well.

 

[FZ09Bandit]

I went on a "extremely" hard ride over the weekend to my usual spot. When I say "extremely hard" I mean my bike would spend about a hr never dropping below 8k and mainly staying above 10k, then hit a slower road where it was 1st gear only dropping to maybe 6k then WOT to 14k and doing this for about 30min, went back to the fast road, stopped for about a hour then did it all again then back home, and the ride too and from was about a hr long at 8k and up as well. So basically it was about 2 1/2hrs of a 10k average break followed by another 2 1/2hr 10k average. I got home parked the bike lubed chain, looked it over as I always do after beating on it and didn't touch it again until the next morning on my way to work. That morning the bike started right up nothing unusual but after a short maybe 3mile ride to the gas station that I stop at every morning when I went to start it back up is what puzzled me. I put the key in turned it on, speedo did its song and dance then hit start, it fired right up and ran for maybe 1sec then shut down, check engine light came on and I'm pretty sure there was a 19 on the bottom on the speedo but no letters in front of it. So I turned the key off and tried again, same thing, fired up then shut down instantly with check engine light on and again I think the number 19 with no letters just 19 then went blank. Turned the bike back off pulled the key put it back in, started it up and it hasn't done it since. I haven't noticed anything out of the ordinary since beating I the bike other than that, no wierd sounds, smells or other problems its still runs like a champ so is puzzling me why it did that. Anyone have any ideas?

Hmm. That's is wired. Maybe had a electric brain fart. I like to disconnect the battery overnight every so often to give the accessories a chance to rest. I know it sounds wierd, but even your cell phone needs a break now and then. I don't know what that code is. Does anyone have like a service manual on this bike?

 

[greg]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

seriously, unplug the battery for 15 mins and see if it's the same.

after that i'd start checking safety switches and connections

 

[FZ09Bandit]

have you tried turning it off and on again?

seriously, unplug the battery for 15 mins and see if it's the same.

after that i'd start checking safety switches and connections

+1 I didn't think about that. The switch that will kill it if it gets turned over. Or kickstand.

 

[ChevyFazer]

Yeah when it happened It turned off, I cycled the key it did it again, took the key out and hasn't happened since. I haven't unhooked the battery in a while but I'm leaving for Chicago on Monday and was planning on unhooking it before I went. The bike hasn't acted up like that since Monday, it did it twice back to back and has been fine ever since. I looked over all the kill/safety switches and all seems to be fine, it baffles me though as to what caused it in the 1st place. I've tried to make it happen again but can't so I have no clue

 

[Mark3d 4 D34th]

Man that is crazy! Maybe its time to get one of those bells to hang off the bottom to keep the road demons away:thumbup:

 

[Motogiro]

The kill switch has been famous for intermittent problems. Recently a member has been plagued with a problem that has been finally traced to the fuse block area. Haven't heard the final on it yet but I'm sure he's very close now. http://www.600riders.com/forum/fz6-electrical/46499-narcoleptic-electrical-system.html

 

[gnorth75]

According to the service manual, fault code 19 is the sidestand switch. The switch may be faulty and registered incorrectly...

Info is on page 8-34 of the service manual for those interested

 

[Marthy]

Man that is crazy! Maybe its time to get one of those bells to hang off the bottom to keep the road demons away:thumbup:

You can't get one... it need to be given to you. :thumbup:

 

[Motogiro]

According to the service manual, fault code 19 is the sidestand switch. The switch may be faulty and registered incorrectly...

Info is on page 8-34 of the service manual for those interested

Good call! Forgot about the error code. Wonder if the sidestand spring is week?

Here's an unofficial EC list:
Fault Code: 12
Diagnostic Code: --
Symptom: No normal signals are received from the crankshaft position sensor.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring harness.
Defective crankshaft position sensor.
Malfunction in pickup rotor.
Malfunction in ECU.
Improperly installed sensor.

Fault Code: 13
Diagnostic Code: 03
Symptom: Intake air pressure sensor-open or short circuit detected.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring sub lead.
Open or short circuit in wiring harness.
Defective intake air pressure sensor.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault Code: 14
Diagnostic Code: 03
Symptom: Faulty intake air pressure sensor pipe system
Probable cause of malfunction:

detected hose
clogged hose
Intake air pressure sensor hose is detached, clogged,
kinked, or pinched.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault Code: 15
Diagnostic Code: 01
Symptom: Throttle position sensor-open or short circuit detected.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring sub lead.
Open or short circuit in wiring harness.
Defective throttle position sensor.
Malfunction in ECU.
Improperly installed throttle position sensor.

Fault Code: 16
Diagnostic Code: 01
Symptom: A stuck throttle position sensor is detected.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Stuck throttle position sensor.
Malfunction in ECU. 01

Fault Code: 19
Diagnostic Code: 20
Symptom: Open circuit in the input line of ECU No4 terminal is detected when the start switch is pressed.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open circuit in wiring harness (ECU coupler).
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault Code: 21
Diagnostic Code: 06
Symptom: Coolant temperature sensor-open or short circuit detected.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring harness.
Defective coolant temperature sensor.
Malfunction in ECU.
Improperly installed sensor.

Fault Code: 22
Diagnostic Code: 05
Symptom: Intake air temperature sensor-open or short circuit detected.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring harness.
Defective intake temperature sensor.
Malfunction in ECU.
Improperly installed sensor.

Fault Code: 30
Diagnostic Code: 08
Symptom: The motorcycle has overturned.

Probable cause of malfunction:
Overturned.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault Code: 33
Diagnostic Code: 30
Symptom: Open circuit is detected in the primary lead of the ignition coil (# 1, #4).
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open circuit in wiring harness.
Malfunction in ignition coil.
Malfunction in ECU.
Malfunction in a component of ignition cut-off circuit system.

Fault Code: 34
Diagnostic Code: 31
Symptom: Open circuit is detected in the primary lead of the ignition coil (# 2, #3).
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open circuit in wiring harness.
Malfunction in ignition coil.
Malfunction in ECU.
Malfunction in a component of ignition cut-off circuit system.

Fault Code: 41
Diagnostic Code: 08
Symptom: Lean angle cut-off switch-open or short circuit detected.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring harness.
Defective lean angle cut-off switch.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault Code: 42
Diagnostic Code: 07, 21
Symptom: No normal signals are received from the speed sensor; or, an open or
short circuit is detected in the neutral switch.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring harness.
Defective speed sensor.
Malfunction in vehicle speed sensor detected unit.
Defective neutral switch.
Malfunction in the engine side of the neutral switch.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault Code: 43
Diagnostic Code: 09
Symptom: Supply power to the injector and fuel pump is not normal
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open circuit in wiring harness. (red/blue line or blue/yellow line)
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault Code: 44
Diagnostic Code: 60
Symptom: An error is detected while reading or writing on EEPROM.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Malfunction in ECU. (The CO adjustment value is not properly written on or read from the internal memory).

Fault Code: 46
Diagnostic Code: --
Symptom: Power supply to the FI system is not normal.

Probable cause of malfunction:
Malfunction in "CHARGING SYSTEM".

Fault code: 50
Diagnostic Code: --
Symptom: Faulty ECU memory. When this malfunction is detected, the code
number might not appear on the meter.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Malfunction in ECU. (The program and data are not
properly written on or read from the internal memory.)

Fault code: Er-1
Diagnostic Code: --
Symptom: No signals are received from the ECU.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Open or short circuit in wiring sub lead.
Malfunction in meter.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault code: Er-2
Diagnostic Code: --
Symptom: No signals are received from the ECU within the specified duration.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Improper connection in wiring sub lead.
Malfunction in meter.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault code: Er-3
Diagnostic Code: --
Symptom: Data from the ECU cannot be received correctly.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Improper connection in wiring sub lead.
Malfunction in meter.
Malfunction in ECU.

Fault code: Er-4
Diagnostic Code: --
Symptom: Non-registered data has been received from the meter.
Probable cause of malfunction:

Improper connection in wiring sub lead.
Malfunction in meter.
Malfunction in ECU.
Error Number 11 : Cylinder identification sensor error - DIAG mode (none)
Error Number 12 : Crankshaft posiiton sensor error - DIAG mode (none)
Error Number 13 : Air intake pressure sensor error - DIAG mode 03
Error Number 14 : Air intake duct error - DIAG mode 03
Error Number 15 : Throttle position sensor error - DIAG mode 01
Error Number 19 : Sidestand sensor error - DIAG mode 20
Error Number 20 : Air pressure sensors error - DIAG mode (none)
Error Number 21 : Coolant temperature sensor error - DIAG mode 06
Error Number 22 : Air intake temperature sensor error - DIAG mode 05
Error Number 23 : Ambient air pressure sensor error - DIAG mode 02
Error Number 24 : O2 (lambda) sensor error - DIAG mode (none)
Error Number 30 : The bike went down - DIAG mode 08
Error Number 33 : Coil 1 open circuit - DIAG mode 30
Error Number 34 : Coil 2 open circuit - DIAG mode 31
Error Number 41 : Tilt sensor error - DIAG mode 08
Error Number 42 : Speed sensor error / Neutral sensor in short-circuit - DIAG mode 07-21
Error Number 43 : Battery voltage control error - DIAG mode (none)
Error Number 44 : EEPROM read/write error - DIAG mode 60
Error Number 50 : ECU memory error - DIAG mode (none)
Error Er-1 : ECU link error
Error Er-2 : ECU link error
Error Er-3 : ECU link error
Error Er-4 : ECU link error

Following ERROR codes DO NOT allow engine to run :
11-12-19-30-41-50 and Er-1 to Er-4
Error code 11 allow engine to continue running only if fault appears after engine start.

Following ERROR codes DO allow engine to run but need immediate check because default values are taken by the ECU: 13-14-20-21-22-23-24-24-42-43-44
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[ChevyFazer]

What's that about fault code 19 and the ecu?

I'm not entirely sold on the side stand thing because the way it shut down, I can have it in gear and flip it down and it will just kill the bike, no check engine light or anything else. Unless im misunderstanding yall about what your talking about with the side stand. When this happened the check engine light came on and then everything went blank.

Also how can you tell the difference between a fault code and error number, will there be a prefix before the number? I'm not 100% certain on what it said because it happened so quick but I'm 75% sure it said just 19

 

[Motogiro]

What's that about fault code 19 and the ecu?

I'm not entirely sold on the side stand thing because the way it shut down, I can have it in gear and flip it down and it will just kill the bike, no check engine light or anything else. Unless im misunderstanding yall about what your talking about with the side stand. When this happened the check engine light came on and then everything went blank.

Also how can you tell the difference between a fault code and error number, will there be a prefix before the number? I'm not 100% certain on what it said because it happened so quick but I'm 75% sure it said just 19

Sometimes when there is a power loss the ECU will throw out indiscriminate codes. True, the side stand switch should not throw a code but I would still check it out and IIRC the bike should still start in neutral. Check all plugs including ECU....

 

[ChevyFazer]

Yeah the bike started up fine both times it just immediately shut right back down, and it was in neutral. You saying to check all the plugs just got me thinking....

I was having a problem with my coolant reservoir a while back and I originally thought it was cracked because it would blow coolant out all the time just about, but when I lifted the tank I found that the overflow/vent tube had come out so it was blowing coolant and steam directly under the rear of the gas tank. That also happens to be where the ecu plug is I believe? I guess it's possible that during my thrashing of the bike it could have started leaking again getting pretty hot so I guess I'll be pulling the tank and having a look see.

 

[Mark3d 4 D34th]

You can't get one... it need to be given to you. :thumbup:

good catch! I almost made it worse!!!:spank:

 

[yamihoe]

Yeah the bike started up fine both times it just immediately shut right back down, and it was in neutral. You saying to check all the plugs just got me thinking....

I was having a problem with my coolant reservoir a while back and I originally thought it was cracked because it would blow coolant out all the time just about, but when I lifted the tank I found that the overflow/vent tube had come out so it was blowing coolant and steam directly under the rear of the gas tank. That also happens to be where the ecu plug is I believe? I guess it's possible that during my thrashing of the bike it could have started leaking again getting pretty hot so I guess I'll be pulling the tank and having a look see.

that sounds like the place to start your search!!!:thumbup:

 

[ChevyFazer]

Forgot to add that I fixed it before.... Lol

 

[FZ09Bandit]

Attention moderators. Or someone make that code post above a sticky somewhere so if anyone else searchs for it they can find it?


Very useful!!!!

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Hmm. That's is wired. Maybe had a electric brain fart. I like to disconnect the battery overnight every so often to give the accessories a chance to rest. I know it sounds wierd, but even your cell phone needs a break now and then. I don't know what that code is. Does anyone have like a service manual on this bike?

Yep, PM me with an address to mail it to as a PDF file (year bike too)..

Also, its very easy to remove the kickstand switch and disassemble it, pretty simple.

Re-assemble after cleaning with di-lectric grease.

I didn't remove the switch wire harness but did it on a stool right next to the bike(preventive maintainance)...

 

[TownsendsFJR1300]

Attention moderators. Or someone make that code post above a sticky somewhere so if anyone else searchs for it they can find it?


Very useful!!!!

It IS a sticky, 3rd post down under the tech section....(before folks start posting)