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FZ6 Off Roading?

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What's the most narly off-roading anyone here has done? Apart from the tires, what shortcomings does the FZ have when venturing off into the rough stuff?

What mods would make the FZ more capable off road?

Is it possible to somehow mount even SLIGHTLY knobby tires on the FZ? What would need to be done to make that possible?

noticed some info on it here, but not much is said about possible mods:

Yamaha FZ6 - Offroad?? - ADVrider
 
Shortcomings? It's heavier than a pure dirt bike. A bit more nervous steering as well.

There's two or three tire choices for Dual sport use that will fit the FZ6 rims. Seems like the Pirelli model get the nod, most of the time.

6" of travel at best with the FZ6 means you have to go slower than something with 8 or 12" of travel, or you will whack the rims.

As a couple of people on that thread said, it's quite possible to ride fire roads on a street bike. I ride about a mile of muddy gravel to get to pavement every time I ride off my land. The grass lawn is more of a potential problem, in reality. Those aforementioned Pirelli dual sport tires would pretty much solve that.

If you wanted more aggressive (read taller knobs) you would probably have to increase the gap between the fenders and the wheels. Go through enough mud, and you will pack the 'street gap' full.
 
The cast rims are probably at least as tough as off road rims.... wire spokes and light stamped steel rims are not as stiff as the cast parts.

The difference is that the suspension travel on the off road bike soaks up so much more of the 'hit' before the wheel itself takes the short sharp shot. Where a dual purpose bike can hit a curb at 90 degrees at 40 MPH and just flow right over it, the 8" curb height would have to be dealt with by the rim of a street bike.
 
Our biggest obstacle is the tire size. Suspension can be fixed, ground clearance is ok (a skid plate really is needed), but tires are the issue.

That being said, it can be done, i've had mine in the mud a few times (the stock 020s suck of course). We run the same size wheels and tires as the Buell Ulysses. Some people have been known to squeeze on 150 series rear tires which opens up the doors to knobbies and many 90/10 tires. I am planning on trying a set in the future. I was also looking to getting an older FZ600 rear wheel (which would be 5" wide and could easily take a 150 series rear tire), but haven't found one cheap enough for me to risk that i'd fit the axle and have minimal rear brake mods needed.
The good news is that Avon Distanzias are available in a 120/70-17 front and a 160 series rear, both in a super-moto (super soft) compound. They will fit no problem. I was planning on using that front tire with a regualr compound 150 Distanzia rear tire (for tire wear) sometime this year. Pirelli has the Scorpions that come in our stock tire sizes (OEM ulysses tire), as is the Dunlop 616, neither are very good in the mud or last awesomely long. Pirelli does have a new Scorpion Trail tire out with a 120/70 front size, and a 190 rear (for the new Ducati Multi), it's advertised as a 90/10 tire and is dual compound, not sure how the wider rear tire will affect handling though.
 
Interesting thread! :rolleyes:

Just last week I bought a dirt bike so I can utilise the trails around where I live. It was only cheap so it doesn't really matter if I drop it or get it battered with mud and rocks...

I'd hate to get my FZ6 dirty!

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purpose built spoked rims are better able to handle the stress that real offroad riding subjects a tire to than are cast wheels. Cast wheels are likely to crack and are not as easy to repair.

Our biggest obstacle is the tire size. Suspension can be fixed, ground clearance is ok (a skid plate really is needed), but tires are the issue.

The good news is that Avon Distanzias are available in a 120/70-17 front and a 160 series rear, both in a super-moto (super soft) compound. They will fit no problem. I was planning on using that front tire with a regualr compound 150 Distanzia rear tire (for tire wear) sometime this year.

By size you must mean width. And by problem you must mean that tire selctions are poor (for good reason). Diameter, although not ideal, is no where near a major limiting factor relatively speaking....many motards and dual sports run 17 inch wheels.

In any event, you're not going to get over any remotely rough terrain with that little ground clearance regardless of what tire you run. And when you bottom out or drop the bike, it's going to be damaged and expensive to make new again.

An Avon distanzias front will probably last you 1,000 to 2,000 miles on the FZ6 if you're lucky.

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Graded roads and muddy grass and the like are one thing, but hills and logs and single track and rocks and jumps and water crossings are another.

Have fun :thumbup:
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The FZ6 isn't really meant for this kind of riding (aside from hard dirt/gravel-getting from A to B ) and would come with many problems, the least is, you would have to take it so easy, what fun would it be or how long before you damage something important. It goes far beyound tires.

The V-Strom, Tiger, KTM, Adventure type, or dirt bike would give progressively more options on back road/off road ridding at a significantely increased ridding experience.

Dropping (see minor crash) the FZ6 and dropping a dirt bike...world of difference.

I think as another alluded to, it would be cheaper and more fun to purchase an inexpensive dirt bike for these jaunts than to repair the FZ6 down the road.

Just my opinion.
 
Ground clearance and susceptibility to damage are the most significant limiting factors.

Check this out:

supermoto at fernley..and an SV - BARF - Bay Area Riders Forum

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Look an Aprilia is running! Wonder if his oil is milky yet..... (Bike in the fore ground is an Aprilia SXV 450 or 550 and they had horrible issues of the gaskets breaking down and coolant dripping into the oil. Aside from that, very strong motors! 550cc vtwin putting out 70 hp.

But back on topic. I have had my FZ down probably a total of 30 miles of dirt/gravel roads. For that type of stuff its fine, just gotta take it easy and be weary of the large/sharp rocks to cut tires. That and your riding style needs to adjust for dirt/gravel riding.

However I wouldnt push it much further. Though I love the picture of the FZ in the water crossing!

-bryan
 
The cast rims are probably at least as tough as off road rims.... wire spokes and light stamped steel rims are not as stiff as the cast parts.

The difference is that the suspension travel on the off road bike soaks up so much more of the 'hit' before the wheel itself takes the short sharp shot. Where a dual purpose bike can hit a curb at 90 degrees at 40 MPH and just flow right over it, the 8" curb height would have to be dealt with by the rim of a street bike.

Maybe but isnt the purpose of wire spokes to absorb impact and make the entire wheel structure slightly flexible? Anything cast is going to be brittle as and will crack at the first decent whack. (which of course creates a real problem with tubeless tyres) :(

I had to take my fz6n (stock running gear) on a fire trail after it had been raining. In short i would not recommend it to anyone. Was a VERY hairy ride. Managed to keep her upright, but only just. Also the suspension will mean your spine will be in need of realigning before the day is out. Dry gravel roads would be as far as i take mine again...
 
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The Buell Ulysses has a dual purpose tire and comes with cast wheels and the same tire size as the FZ6.

Just FYI. I have ridden on gravel a few times and dirt/grass a few as well. The trouble lies in mud and deep gravel.
 
deep loose gravel is insanely tough to ride through. i cant do it at over 40kph. the bike just swims and starts to wobble any higher than that.

as for mud i couldnt do it stock.

was hoping for some kind of tire/wheel mod at some point that i could swap back and forth at will with stock.

good info all, thanks for posting.
 
Maybe but isnt the purpose of wire spokes to absorb impact and make the entire wheel structure slightly flexible? Anything cast is going to be brittle as and will crack at the first decent whack. (which of course creates a real problem with tubeless tyres) :(

I had to take my fz6n (stock running gear) on a fire trail after it had been raining. In short i would not recommend it to anyone. Was a VERY hairy ride. Managed to keep her upright, but only just. Also the suspension will mean your spine will be in need of realigning before the day is out. Dry gravel roads would be as far as i take mine again...

If the wire spokes are properly tensioned, there is no slack in them to absorb shock and deflect as you describe. The opposing spokes are supposed to be torqued to the same tension, all the way around. Should be every bit as 'stiff' as a well made cast rim...... except for the part where you have 70 or more individual parts flying in close formation compared to one solid piece. I like cast because they don't have all those holes in them, and there is no need for routine maintenance. Easier to clean, too.

I guess our definitions of decent whack are somewhat different. You could take an 8lb sledgehammer, and swing it for all it's worth and whack your front tire/wheel (like you were riding over a pot hole, or rock in the road) and it wouldn't faze the rim at all. You'd be amazed at how big a hit a rim can take. They only bend (for the most part) when they get hit at an angle. Or when you hit something so big so fast, that the suspension cannot allow the wheel to move away at all. A Curb, at 60 MPH when you are grabbing the brakes hard, for instance. If you know you're hit something as tall as a curb, at speed, it's far better to romp on the gas and lighten the front wheel.... the back rim is even tougher.

As an example, a good friend of mine was forced off the road riding her FZ1 last summer. Riding on the highway through a construction zone, the lady driving her SUV beside her swerved to avoid a plastic trash can laying in her lane. Forced my friend off the road to the right, and she dropped the bike at 65 MPH on the shoulder. (she'd ridden motocross for years, and graduated MSF, etc. Knowledgeable rider-- lousy situation. She ended up being the 'gutter ball' at the bowling lane....) The bike tumbelled and slid on the shoulder, then turned and ran into the center divider wall at ~60 MPH. A VERY large whack. After she healed for a week or so, I went with her to assess the bike in the wrecker's yard. Fork tubes were bent, the steering stops were snapped off the lower tripple tree, there were dents in the frame from the tubes hitting.... the back swing arm had become twisted in the process so the rear wheel had about a 15 degree slant from vertical to it. And it was a hit and run, to boot.

The front rim had a scrape from the pavement on it. Still round, still true.

Living on a gravel road, and having to traverse 3/4 of a mile of gravel with a soupy layer of clay based mud on top of it to bet to pavemet has forced me to come to terms with the FZ6's capability for essentially fire road type riding.

Street tires will let the whole bike squirm around. A lot. the trick is to loosen your girp, and not lean the bike. Hang off, and let your CG steer the bike around corners. done that way, I can comfortably ride on that slimy surface up to about 25 MPH. It does tend to toss muck onto the hugger, and the fork tubes look terible afterwards..... the back rim is constantly muddy or dusty depending on the season.

I've ridden street bikes thorugh potholes deep enough to 'bottom' the suspension.... it's tougher on the suspension than it is on the wheels and tires.
 
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