Demo ride reviews, part II ( Ninja 300, R1, FJR, Kawi Voyager )

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Actually tested the Ninja 300 on Thursday, but forgot to do a write up:

Great little bike! I owned the carburated 250cc version (07) and everything about this one feels better. Clutch is effortless and very forgiving. Engine is noticeably stronger than the old 250. Bike still feels incredibly light and nimble.

It does still require very frequent shifting, which is a great way to learn to ride and can sometimes be more fun than a big-motor bike with high gearing.

It does look very good in person and at 5' 10" I felt very comfortable on it .. not really cramped at all.

Would highly recommend this as a starter bike.

R1:

This is the first bike I've ridden since I've gotten the FZ1, which made the FZ1 feel slow :eek:

Good GOD the power!! Highest speed during demo was ~65.. I never got out of 2nd gear! Truth be told.. I didn't need to get out of first!! At 65 I think it was spinning around 6.5k rpm and redline is 14k, so technically I was below the sweet spot!

I was 2nd in line (first behind the guide) and we were asked to not slingshot.. just get a feel for acceleration from stops.. the guide would get to speed briskly. Well, brisk as he may have been, I never went past 1/4 throttle (if that) and that was enough to start gaining on him.

BUT.. (and this is highly subjective).. why would anyone want to ride something like this on the street? It's a torture rack! The throttle is incredibly sensitive and completely unforgiving. I had the bike in "standard" mode and it was very hard to be smooth going from off to on and vice versa.

Steering too is incredibly precise and takes minimal effort to change the direction. If you're one with this bike, I can see it slicing the corners like a fine scalpel. If you're not, I can see it getting you into all sorts of trouble.

To me, a machine like this is built for a purpose: it's a race bike.. and the race track is where it belongs.

FJR:

This is once again very subjective, but.. best bike I've ever ridden, period.

Motor is buttery smooth. Least vibration at the handlebar and pegs of any bike I've ever piloted.

Electronics are superb (adjustable screen, multi-stage heated grips, cruise control).

Transmission too is silky smooth and gearing feels absolutely perfect (1st gear feels taller than FZ6, but shorter than FZ1).

The less than perfect aspects:

If I have to nitpick, there is one *issue* with it. When I come to a stop, I like to extend my left leg forward and out to plant it when the bike is fully stopped. On this bike, my normal motion puts my knee into a sharp edge of the fairing on the left side. This is something I would get used to in about 2 rides, but ideally I'd like that edge to not be there.

The clutch, while not really an issue, is a tad on the heavy side. Might be an issue in heavy stop-n-go traffic.

Having said that..

Within few miles of riding this bike I could tell I would easily be able to do 1k miles in the saddle in one day and not flinch. It really made me smile.. just an absolute pleasure to ride.

While it's heavy on paper and it certainly feels heavy coming off the side stand, once it's moving the weight just disappears.. it's light and nimble and requires less steering input than FZ1 for quick direction changes.

I very much hope to own one in the future.

Voyager:

Decided it would be a good idea to know what a big heavy cruiser feels like (at one point I thought I would consider something like this for looong 2-up travels).

Now.. I'm not a cruiser guy, so if you are, I hope you won't be too offended when you read this :spank:

It's going to be difficult to review this bike, as I think I fell asleep roughly 4 minutes into the demo and did not wake up until we were back in the parking area.. but I'll try:

This bike is surprisingly easy to maneuver at slow speeds. The low center of gravity and relaxed rake make steering effortless.

The seat is barcalounger-cushy.

The windscreen is very tall and provides so much wind protection that I was able to flip my visor all the way up at 78mph and feel no wind on my face whatsoever. (they took us on the highway for cruiser demo.. makes sense).

The acceleration.. I went wide open throttle from 3k rpm (remember this is a cruiser.. so 3k is the "sweet spot").. massive increase in noise and vibration.. NO change in speed :rof:
Adequate sure, but far from exhilarating.

Rear brake is very grabby and suspension dives and wobbles as you search for the perfect balance between using front and rear brake.

The heat emanating up the legs as you wait at a traffic light is intense. It wasn't particularly hot out.. ~75 degrees during test ride.

On the bright side, there was a Harley-riding couple in their early two hundreds next to me at a traffic light who seemed to be admirably eying my chrome Kenworth of a motorcycle! :cheer:
 
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were the brakes any good on the Voyager, or did you not get a chance to test them? i find cruisers to be extremely unsafe, because of the poor maneuverability, lack of power to weight, and cardboard and rubberband braking systems. not to mention the terrible tires that you have to run on cruisers.

also, would you think that the Ninja 300 would have ample get-up'n'go on the highway (70mph here in TN)? I havent ridden one yet, but i think in a few years when they start to hit the used market they'll open up a world of difference for new riders over the 250.
 

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were the brakes any good on the Voyager, or did you not get a chance to test them? i find cruisers to be extremely unsafe, because of the poor maneuverability, lack of power to weight, and cardboard and rubberband braking systems. not to mention the terrible tires that you have to run on cruisers.

also, would you think that the Ninja 300 would have ample get-up'n'go on the highway (70mph here in TN)? I havent ridden one yet, but i think in a few years when they start to hit the used market they'll open up a world of difference for new riders over the 250.

I did mention that rear brake was very grabby on Voyager.. not good at all. Front was pretty good, but used together it did not inspire confidence.. I think mainly due to very soft, divey suspension.

I think 300 would do just fine on the hwy.. limit 70 so you're doing what? Near 80? Sure the motor will be spinning way up there, but I think it'll still be able to pull away from most cars.
 

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I did mention that rear brake was very grabby on Voyager.. not good at all. Front was pretty good, but used together it did not inspire confidence.. I think mainly due to very soft, divey suspension.

I think 300 would do just fine on the hwy.. limit 70 so you're doing what? Near 80? Sure the motor will be spinning way up there, but I think it'll still be able to pull away from most cars.

yeah pretty much. i usually ride around 75-80 unless im on a long ride/tour. im more curious about that 75-90 pull, you need power to get out of situations just as you need to ride within your limits to avoid them.

basically: can you click down or are you already to high in the revs in top gear at 75ish? if not are you in the sweet spot at that RPM.
 

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basically: can you click down or are you already to high in the revs in top gear at 75ish? if not are you in the sweet spot at that RPM.

I think clicking down at 75 will put you in the redline (or right up to it). I wouldn't count on it to quickly get out of undesirable situations by twisting throttle at 75. Style may have to be adjusted to always slow down at those speeds, rather than twist.

Personally, I don't think I'd pick one up for high speed highway travel. It's so darn light, you really get pushed around by wind, riding one of these at 80. Certainly doable, but not exactly relaxing.
 

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Thanks for the review. It's very interesting


You forgot to say that brakes are very tough too))). Really, R1 is an uncompromising motorcycle. One mistake and you are on the ground.

R1:
BUT.. (and this is highly subjective).. why would anyone want to ride something like this on the street?

The answer is very simple. Women. Most guys think that it will help them to be attractive for women. It does not work though. ))))
 

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You forgot to say that brakes are very tough too))).

The brakes are very powerful and take minimal effort, but that part I actually like a lot. Definitely not a good idea for a novice rider though (or anyone incapable of smoothly operating controls)
 

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I think clicking down at 75 will put you in the redline (or right up to it). I wouldn't count on it to quickly get out of undesirable situations by twisting throttle at 75. Style may have to be adjusted to always slow down at those speeds, rather than twist.

Personally, I don't think I'd pick one up for high speed highway travel. It's so darn light, you really get pushed around by wind, riding one of these at 80. Certainly doable, but not exactly relaxing.

I wouldnt get one for highway travel, but inevitably it will end up there at one point or another. i have a good friend who's trying to get his first bike this summer. Hes ridden in the dirt with me quite a few times, and more importantly (and im dead serious about this) He's smacked it a few times. dirt hurts, pavement kills. he wants a ninja 250 but hes got a 30+ mile highway commute for school and 20ish for work (one way for both) i think for him something a little bigger would be OK. i just havent gotten the chance to ride a 300 yet. it might be more than capable. id just like to play with one and test the brakes and handling for myself.
 

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R1:

This is the first bike I've ridden since I've gotten the FZ1, which made the FZ1 feel slow :eek:

Good GOD the power!! Highest speed during demo was ~65.. I never got out of 2nd gear! Truth be told.. I didn't need to get out of first!! At 65 I think it was spinning around 6.5k rpm and redline is 14k, so technically I was below the sweet spot!

I was 2nd in line (first behind the guide) and we were asked to not slingshot.. just get a feel for acceleration from stops.. the guide would get to speed briskly. Well, brisk as he may have been, I never went past 1/4 throttle (if that) and that was enough to start gaining on him.

BUT.. (and this is highly subjective).. why would anyone want to ride something like this on the street? It's a torture rack! The throttle is incredibly sensitive and completely unforgiving. I had the bike in "standard" mode and it was very hard to be smooth going from off to on and vice versa.

Steering too is incredibly precise and takes minimal effort to change the direction. If you're one with this bike, I can see it slicing the corners like a fine scalpel. If you're not, I can see it getting you into all sorts of trouble.

To me, a machine like this is built for a purpose: it's a race bike.. and the race track is where it belongs.

FJR:

This is once again very subjective, but.. best bike I've ever ridden, period.

Motor is buttery smooth. Least vibration at the handlebar and pegs of any bike I've ever piloted.

Electronics are superb (adjustable screen, multi-stage heated grips, cruise control).

Transmission too is silky smooth and gearing feels absolutely perfect (1st gear feels taller than FZ6, but shorter than FZ1).

The less than perfect aspects:

If I have to nitpick, there is one *issue* with it. When I come to a stop, I like to extend my left leg forward and out to plant it when the bike is fully stopped. On this bike, my normal motion puts my knee into a sharp edge of the fairing on the left side. This is something I would get used to in about 2 rides, but ideally I'd like that edge to not be there.

The clutch, while not really an issue, is a tad on the heavy side. Might be an issue in heavy stop-n-go traffic.

Having said that..

Within few miles of riding this bike I could tell I would easily be able to do 1k miles in the saddle in one day and not flinch. It really made me smile.. just an absolute pleasure to ride.

While it's heavy on paper and it certainly feels heavy coming off the side stand, once it's moving the weight just disappears.. it's light and nimble and requires less steering input than FZ1 for quick direction changes.

I very much hope to own one in the future.

When were you there?
I ended up going a couple of days during both weekends but it ended up always being like a last minute thing.

R1: completely agree. I test rode it last year!!!! Amazing. I only stalled it once as I was playing around with the riding modes.
Have you ridden the Vmax?
It is a monster!!!!! For the R6 & R1 you must have a young back and neck. The Vmax is pure speed and loads of power with a much more comfortable riding position.

FJR: this is actually the very first bike I ride with cruise control. It is pretty sweet.
Overall this is the bike I envision buying!!!!! It is awesome and also agree with the fairing. I hit it twice during the demo ride.
I did not get to check the adjustable middle fairing.

On the cruiser side, I test rode the Suzuki M109:
I actually liked it. I was dragging the pegs very frequently with it!!!

I was also very lucky to test ride a gixxer 600 with a very spirited escort rider. This has been probably the fastest test ride I've ever done - in terms of high speed!!!

I also test rode a couple of Kawasaki models. Overall I find it as a very fun and easy to ride bike.



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It does still require very frequent shifting, which is a great way to learn to ride and can sometimes be more fun than a big-motor bike with high gearing.
ERCI I respect your opinion a lot and it's hard for me to post this but I could not disagree with you more. I had my Fz6 and got so sick and tired of shifting that was one of the reasons I was looking to upgrade after 2 weeks. Granted I did about 3/4 of the miles in commuting traffic, but still very annoying.

I love, and I absolutely mean LOVE zipping around town in 1st on the Fz1 0-45 no problem. 0-60 sure it's getting a little spun up but Oh wait there is another 20 mph or 0-80 in first. I rarely get past 3rd on the surface streets and on the highways find myself running in 4th a lot to carve traffic. I only cruise in 6th when I'm tired and I'm in no rush.

Voyager:
Now.. I'm not a cruiser guy, so if you are, I hope you won't be too offended when you read this :spank:

It's going to be difficult to review this bike, as I think I fell asleep roughly 4 minutes into the demo and did not wake up until we were back in the parking area.. but I'll try:
The acceleration.. I went wide open throttle from 3k rpm (remember this is a cruiser.. so 3k is the "sweet spot").. massive increase in noise and vibration.. NO change in speed :rof:
Adequate sure, but far from exhilarating.

On the bright side, there was a Harley-riding couple in their early two hundreds next to me at a traffic light who seemed to be admirably eying my chrome Kenworth of a motorcycle! :cheer:
:rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof::rof:

Have you ridden the Vmax?
It is a monster!!!!! For the R6 & R1 you must have a young back and neck. The Vmax is pure speed and loads of power with a much more comfortable riding position.

I like my naked Fz1 because it's sport bike look more and cruiser look less. But thought it interesting that the VMax gave the same 1/4 mile times as a stock Fz1
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9w0_8WLWtU]Diavel vs V-Max quarter mile race - YouTube[/ame]
 
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ERCI I respect your opinion a lot and it's hard for me to post this but I could not disagree with you more. I had my Fz6 and got so sick and tired of shifting that was one of the reasons I was looking to upgrade after 2 weeks. Granted I did about 3/4 of the miles in commuting traffic, but still very annoying.

Hey, nothing wrong with disagreeing. We all have our opinions. :thumbup:
 

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I think clicking down at 75 will put you in the redline (or right up to it). I wouldn't count on it to quickly get out of undesirable situations by twisting throttle at 75. Style may have to be adjusted to always slow down at those speeds, rather than twist.

Personally, I don't think I'd pick one up for high speed highway travel. It's so darn light, you really get pushed around by wind, riding one of these at 80. Certainly doable, but not exactly relaxing.

I had a Ninja 250 that I loved, going up and down thru the gears, loved it. Rode from Birmingham to Chattanooga a number of times and it was OK on the interstate. Could run 80 all day long without any problem. It was light but didn't get blown around as much as you might think. Biggest drawback was the lack of acceleration above 60MPH. Would expect the 300 to be a little better as it has more power.
 

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I was at the speedway Wed - Sat.



Have not. For some reason it didn't interest me. I'm sure it's fun in its own way.

What a shame, I was there for the most part of Friday doing demo rides. Then Saturday a couple of hours - actually I replaced the front tire of my bike and both of my girlfriend's there as well.

Personally I do like the Vmax a lot but I would never justify spending 20k on it!!!! I do justify spending 15k on the FJR, I just need to get the 15k!!!! Ahahahah


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