How hard can the fz6 countersteer?

[madmanmaigret]

I know that you said don't say this............but,
If you crash exploring the limits on the street, to fix or replace the bike/gear/yourself, will cost you much more than learning from an instructor on the track. You will never learn as much on the street SAFELY as you would on the track.

I know I sound like the forum mother hen (and I have ridden stupidly fast on the street) You say it is too expensive but you really aren't weighing all the pros and cons here......what you may do is cost yourself a lot more money than you expected, just keep that in mind :thumbup:

 

[jmerch44]

I know that you said don't say this............but,
If you crash exploring the limits on the street, to fix or replace the bike/gear/yourself, will cost you much more than learning from an instructor on the track. You will never learn as much on the street SAFELY as you would on the track.

I know I sound like the forum mother hen (and I have ridden stupidly fast on the street) You say it is too expensive but you really aren't weighing all the pros and cons here......what you may do is cost yourself a lot more money than you expected, just keep that in mind :thumbup:

Question? I understand what your trying to say as far as it being cheaper to pay for a track day, rather than pay for damages. but crashing is crashing. If I pay for a track day and crash on the track, I still have to pay for new gear and damages PLUS, the track day. When I practice on the street, there is now traffic, I dont push it when other vehicals are near by. I go to the same road that I am comfortable learning on and riding, and I practice there. theres always a risk of falling. my only real concern is making sure I dont hurt anyone else. Thats why I practice when there is no traffic. I have wayed the pros and cons of a trackday. I would love to do a track day, but for now I can't afford to go. ( cost for trackday, equipment, tires, leathers, ect.) so I'm doing what I can, as safely as I can.:thumbup:

 

[madmanmaigret]

Question? I understand what your trying to say as far as it being cheaper to pay for a track day, rather than pay for damages. but crashing is crashing. If I pay for a track day and crash on the track, I still have to pay for new gear and damages PLUS, the track day. When I practice on the street, there is now traffic, I dont push it when other vehicals are near by. I go to the same road that I am comfortable learning on and riding, and I practice there. theres always a risk of falling. my only real concern is making sure I dont hurt anyone else. Thats why I practice when there is no traffic. I have wayed the pros and cons of a trackday. I would love to do a track day, but for now I can't afford to go. ( cost for trackday, equipment, tires, leathers, ect.) so I'm doing what I can, as safely as I can.:thumbup:

Understood. Be safe out there! :thumbup:

 

[reiobard]

Question? I understand what your trying to say as far as it being cheaper to pay for a track day, rather than pay for damages. but crashing is crashing. If I pay for a track day and crash on the track, I still have to pay for new gear and damages PLUS, the track day. When I practice on the street, there is now traffic, I dont push it when other vehicals are near by. I go to the same road that I am comfortable learning on and riding, and I practice there. theres always a risk of falling. my only real concern is making sure I dont hurt anyone else. Thats why I practice when there is no traffic. I have wayed the pros and cons of a trackday. I would love to do a track day, but for now I can't afford to go. ( cost for trackday, equipment, tires, leathers, ect.) so I'm doing what I can, as safely as I can.:thumbup:

I was going to keep quiet, but the huge factor with the track is that you have an instructor there showing ou how to not fall in the first place, it is also a clean, dirt free surface that has been tried and true to now give you environmental hazards. I rode 29,000 on my old bike on the street before taking it to the track. I learned more and became a more confident and safer rider in ther 90 miles i did on the track that day than in all of the 29,000 previous miles combined.



Now that i have that out of my system... trust yourbike, and if you can spend any $ at all get some racetech springs for the front that are set up for your weight, adjustable suspensions are useless uinless they are set properly. Our suspension can be set properly, it just needs them o be manually changed instead of little knobs that will most likely reach their limits before the suspension is set properly anyway.

 

[The Toecutter]

The stock tires suck!!! I swapped mine for a stock set of rims and tires off an 08 r6 ,I had put chrome rim's on before I ever brought it home from the dealership.that made a huge difference in the bikes ability.also I would'nt take the center stand off. it comes in handy all the time,lubing the chain wasshing the bike,changing the oil.....it's a good thing to have....oh and I know it's HOT but ALLWAY'S WEAR YOUR GEAR!!! "Sweat wipes off road rash does'nt"!!:rockon:

 

[Hellgate]

The stock tires suck!!! I swapped mine for a stock set of rims and tires off an 08 r6 ,I had put chrome rim's on before I ever brought it home from the dealership.that made a huge difference in the bikes ability.also I would'nt take the center stand off. it comes in handy all the time,lubing the chain wasshing the bike,changing the oil.....it's a good thing to have....oh and I know it's HOT but ALLWAY'S WEAR YOUR GEAR!!! "Sweat wipes off road rash does'nt"!!:rockon:

Chrome rims??? 24's with spinners???:rof::rof::rof:

 

[The Toecutter]

Chrome rims??? 24's with spinners???:rof::rof::rof:

:rof:Yea I know!!! "I want my tires to slip on my rim's and I want too pay a ridiculous amount of money to make it happen"!!:rof::rof::rof:

 

[jmerch44]

I was going to keep quiet, but the huge factor with the track is that you have an instructor there showing ou how to not fall in the first place, it is also a clean, dirt free surface that has been tried and true to now give you environmental hazards. I rode 29,000 on my old bike on the street before taking it to the track. I learned more and became a more confident and safer rider in ther 90 miles i did on the track that day than in all of the 29,000 previous miles combined.



Now that i have that out of my system... trust yourbike, and if you can spend any $ at all get some racetech springs for the front that are set up for your weight, adjustable suspensions are useless uinless they are set properly. Our suspension can be set properly, it just needs them o be manually changed instead of little knobs that will most likely reach their limits before the suspension is set properly anyway.

Being that I cant get both at the same time, do you suggest getting tires or springs first? one of these will be my next purchase. I really do think tires are my best bet. also, is it nessasary to replace the rear spring as well, or can that wait?

 

[The Toecutter]

Being that I cant get both at the same time, do you suggest getting tires or springs first? one of these will be my next purchase. I really do think tires are my best bet. also, is it nessasary to replace the rear spring as well, or can that wait?

Get the Tires!!!!:rockon:

 

[centerall49]

So I'm a total new kid at this, and probably too old a dog to learn new tricks anyway, but is there a post where I can learn a little more about just exactly what the heck is a track day? I live sorta near Dallas so is there some place in the area I can check out?

If I went to the track as a new fz6 owner would I be in over my head due to lack of experience or would they just dumb it down for me?

What does all of that cost?

My apologies for bring it up but I want to learn how to ride it at least well enough to have some safe fun.

 

[GConn]

I have to agree with others. Half day with an instructor gave me much more than a year of riding both safety wise and performance wise.

On the subject, you have to practise a few things like:
1) Braking before turn (use of rear and front brake with correct timing is crucial for late braking). Most of the times, releasing you brakes before the turn-in is very important to keep the balance of the bike (and the weight on the rear tire)
2) Set your entry speed
3) Weight distribution via throttle control
4) Weight distribution via body positioning

I would advise practising one thing at a time, as trying to do everything right alltogether is probably going to confuse you more. If you have read the books mentioned, I am sure you know what I am talking about. Good luck and ride safe.