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What is the best Oil.

When to change oil and filter?

  • 600, like the manual says

    Votes: 33 52.4%

  • 100, 600 and then follow the manual

    Votes: 6 9.5%

  • 100, 600, 1200 and then follow the manual

    Votes: 12 19.0%

  • 500, 1000, and then follow the manual

    Votes: 4 6.3%

  • Something else... please explain

    Votes: 8 12.7%
  • Total voters
    63
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Re: Jacked up the oil change

GConn said:
I would say the oil filter is the most irritating part for me. I've tried every tool I have, yet I always take it off with the screwdriver method. It's just too tight. Don't know what I am doing wrong. I put oil on the rubber before fitting it on the bike and I don't put it too tight. :confused:
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GConn - Get the Motion Pro Oil Filter Wrench - It is a strap through a bolt. You put the strap around the filter, roll up the slack, put your rachet on the bolt and turn in same direct as loosening a bolt. It will take off any oil filter no matter how tight without destroying the filter. It dents it where the bolt is but your going to through it away anyhow.

I torque my filter to spec (12ft lb) and have no problem getting it off later.

Thread Hijack - I also switched from Mobil 1 15W-50 to Rotella Synthetic 5W-40 and I swear by the Gods of Motorcycledom that my bike's clutch is smoother on take-off and the shift from 1st to 2nd is smoother too. I've also read that since this is Truck Oil, it does not have the anti-friction additives that auto oil has that can make your clutch slip. I'm sold with my first crankcase full and plan on running nothing else at $21 a gallon!

Also changed to Purolator Pure 1 filter PL 14610, (it's 3.5" long, or you can use the PL 14612 2.5" which is the stock filter length, I went with the longer since it fits and has more filter area, and looks good too) it's a cross-referrenced match for the Fram PH6017A, but is only $5.88 at Advance Auto and removes 99% on first pass compared to 96% for the Fram. Also the spec on the pressure relief valve at 14~18 PSI with Manual Spec at 11.6 to 17.4 PSI, this seems close enough for me and it has the Anti-Drain valve. End Hijack.
 
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Another thing you guys (who have problems getting the filter off) is use a K&N oil filter. It has a 17mm nut made into the end of the filter, no special tools required.
 
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This job is simple and next time I do it I will take pics and post it on here.

I think what some people do is to remove the oil FILLER cap on the opposite of the bike to the drain plug. If you do this it will make the oil come out quicker. So leave it fastened until you need to put oil in.

To get the oil filter off buy one of these:-

YAMAHA HF303 OIL FILTER TOOL 65 67mm YZF XJ FZR FZ6 YXR on eBay, also Yamaha, Motorcycle Parts, Motorcycle Parts Accessories, Cars, Parts Vehicles (end time 25-Dec-08 10:55:10 GMT)

My tip is to smear a little oil inside the wrench before you use it. It helps it come off the filter better.

I will post pics next time I do it.

Steve
 
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madmanmaigret said:
Another thing you guys (who have problems getting the filter off) is use a K&N oil filter. It has a 17mm nut made into the end of the filter, no special tools required.
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I use them, but it was so tight on there, the screw was striped, and all the filter wrenches in the world wouldn't take it off....:confused: Screwdriver in, and I pull. The screwdriver was cut in the filter like it was a toy....it wouldn't budge. Got me exhausted to take it off. I just don't understand what I am doing wrong. (except for thread jacking once again :ban:)
 
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Rebl, where are you located in VA? My wife's got an FZ6 and I've done all the maint. so far on her bike. Plus, I've done majority of stuff of my FZ1. I may be able to offer up some help.
 
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the purolator one filters are coated (on the outside) with a sandpaper-like finish. makes it a lot easier to grab hold of. about everyone i have come into contact with who have bikes tell me never to tighten with a wrench as they result in them becoming very difficult to get off. always hand-tighten. in my experience, after a few months / thousand miles, the filters tighten up anyway, and the filter you put on there by hand now has to be removed with a wrench, though its just a little push. just need that torque. so if you tighten with a wrench, have fun getting it off down the road. just give it a quick twist with your hand now and then before you jump on to make sure it's on there good, but i've never had an issue. why make things more difficult than they need to be? :thumbup:
 
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blitzcraig said:
the purolator one filters are coated (on the outside) with a sandpaper-like finish. makes it a lot easier to grab hold of. about everyone i have come into contact with who have bikes tell me never to tighten with a wrench as they result in them becoming very difficult to get off. always hand-tighten. in my experience, after a few months / thousand miles, the filters tighten up anyway, and the filter you put on there by hand now has to be removed with a wrench, though its just a little push. just need that torque. so if you tighten with a wrench, have fun getting it off down the road. just give it a quick twist with your hand now and then before you jump on to make sure it's on there good, but i've never had an issue. why make things more difficult than they need to be? :thumbup:
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I agree with this.

I use the wrench to tighten it but it is a very minimal nip.

but the wrench I use is great for getting the filter off to begin with.

steve
 
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GConn said:
I use them, but it was so tight on there, the screw was striped, and all the filter wrenches in the world wouldn't take it off....:confused: Screwdriver in, and I pull. The screwdriver was cut in the filter like it was a toy....it wouldn't budge. Got me exhausted to take it off. I just don't understand what I am doing wrong. (except for thread jacking once again :ban:)
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hmm seems odd. I couldn't think of anything that would make it that tight (i have had to resort to the crewdriver trick on cars before but it always worked as a last resort.) unless you are turning it the wrong way.......... I won't say I have never done it before, sometimes you just have a small lapse of judgement.
 
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First bike i've done the oil change on, so i'm comparing it to my jeep (i know, apples to bananas). Compared to that, its a pain..plug on the jeep is rear center of the oil pan..i dont even need to jack it up or put it on ramps to change the oil. I have the filter tool, filter came off without a hitch, but that damn bolt about never came off! When i tightened it, it was just enough so that it wouldn't move without much force. Could have made it tighter, but no point..i dont think its going anywhere and i dont feel like stripping it on the way back out! And will definitely keep doing it myself..there is no way i'm paying a dealer $$$ to do that! A turkey basting pan next time and a little foil over the pipes and i'm good to go!
 
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good call folks on the turkey basting pan. i try and use one of the rectangular shaped oil pans with the circle opening in the middle to catch the oil and you really have to wedge that thing against the kickstand and under the pipes to compensate for the jet stream that comes rushing out, and even then, you are sure to spill some. it's turkey pan for me from now on :thumbup:
 
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I know when I tried to get the filter off after dealer service it was a pain and I had to use a screwdriver. I have never had a problem since. I agree with the turkey basting pan, it is much easier than the drip pan I have for my truck. This thread reminds me to change my oil again! Thanks!
 
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Lessons learned for next time:

1. Use a pan to drain into. It causes far less spillage.
2. The bolt is in the worst place possible.
3. The oil filter is really easy to get off compared to my cars.
4. It was not as easy as I had planned!
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I just did my first one this month too.

The drain bolt was really tight. I anticipated the oil shooting out so I held a piece of cardboard up as I extracted the bolt to deflect the oil into the small oil drain pan I have. It worked great.

I didn't have any problem accessing the drain bolt with a socket and ratchet.

The oil filter was another story. The previous owner really had put it on tight. I crushed the filter and put a hole in it trying to get it off. I ended up just using muscle and a big pair of channel-lock pliers to remove it. When installing a filter it's imperative to screw it on until the gasket touches and then just add a half turn - NO MORE. They stay on and come off easily with that method.

PS. I also use a piece of cardboard to shield the bike/wheel when spraying cleaner and lube on the chain. It's cheap and easy.
 
Re: Jacked up the oil change

madmanmaigret said:
Another thing you guys (who have problems getting the filter off) is use a K&N oil filter. It has a 17mm nut made into the end of the filter, no special tools required.
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Ya and I read that it is predrilled for wiring for track days, also read some guys thread who has disassembled these filters. The K&N was judged well built, as was the Purolator. Fram Motorcycle, unless it was changed since, had cardboard plate to seal the filter media on the ends. The picture of it showed the cardboard and was judged by this guy as inferior. After seeing that picture of the disassembled filter, I won't use the Fram PH6017A again.
 
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After reading everyone else posts I can say the the Motion Pro Strap will take it off without destroying the filter.

When I bought my bike, I could not get the filter off. My cap type wrench just slipped and there is not enough room for the standard type of strap wrench. Thats is when I found the Motion Pro and it worked.

It seems from the post that no one is torqueing their oil filters to 12 ft lb as discribed in the manual. I can tell you that this is why everyone is having the problem getting the filter off, because the filter was torqued to spec.

During my first oil change after I finally got the filter off I did the hand tight routine like with my cars. Then I came accross the torque spec in the manual. I thought well if the manual says torque to 12 ft lb, I probably should for safety reasons. I mean if the filter does come loose from undertightening, that rear wheel is going to get real squirrelly. So I torque mine now, and the Motion Pro takes it off with no problem.
 
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I did my first oil change last week and I didn't have too much of a problem doing it. The oil filter wrench I had was for a car, so it was obviously too big for the bike. I used channel locks to get the filter turned and was able to do the rest by hand. The oil didn't shoot out when I drained it, but I did use the tin foil trick I read on here. I also used the K&N filter so I won't have any problem on my next oil change.

The only problem I had was when I put the new filter on. I thought I tightened it enough but when I filled the oil up and started the engine I could smell oil burning. I looked and the leaking came from the oil filter; I didn't tighten it enough. After turning the filter more the leak stopped.
 
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I was wondering if they'd changed the location of the drain plug with the '07's, as mine comes off easily with either the side or center stand, but then I noticed Interactive had no trouble with his '06 either; all you need is an extender.
I've switched to the K&N filters; I had the Yamaha oil filter wrench but spent more time getting the filter off the wrench than the filter off the bike, so I tossed it. Torquing the filter per the manual, I've never had a problem getting it off.
 
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Oh the plug is real easy to get to with the wrench, no problems there. Was just very, very, very tight...when it finally came loose, it popped and i thought i'd broken the head off. When I tightened it back up, i didn't crank it down real tight, i stopped when it became hard to turn.
 
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I just use my hand to take the old filter off. They dont come loose. Put it on with your hand, and it will come right off. LOL
 
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