These are my dream bikes...

[jtarkany]

Unfortunately they are both at my nightmare price, approximately $45,000 each. Not saying they are necessarily overpriced given their unique nature, just beyond my meager means

This is the petrol powered X132 Hellcat from Confederate Motors in Alabama, USofA: Confederate Motorcycles | X132 Hellcat | Tough

And this is the electric powered (claimed 120 mph top speed and 185 mile range per charge) Lito Sora from Lito Green Motion in Quebec, Canada: Experience the Sora - Powered by Lito Green Motion Two very unique features of this bike are the 6-speed CVT Transmission and the electrically adjusted seat that boasts 4 inches of travel up or down and can be adjusted while riding.

Now if I can just convert my FZ6 Concept Bike to Electric with similar numbers I would be King of the World

 

[Jblk9695]

Why don't you just build one?? You build everything else:BLAA:
And if you need any machining done that requires more than a drill press give me a call, retired metal muncher from waaaaaaaaay back:thumbup:

Jerry

 

[lonesoldier84]

^haha no doubt.

Seriously you could probably have the FZ looking like an inspired naked bike based off that Lito Sora there.

 

[jtarkany]

I am building it, the petrol version in my concept picture will be done within the next 18 months or so (probably being optimistic) all I have left is mounting the new exhaust, installing the R6 swingarm with all that will entail, and bobbing the tail.

Then I will be seriously setting my sites on the electric conversion, I have +30k miles on the engine now so I figure I have plenty of time for the battery technology to improve even more and the prices to drop appropriately before my petrol engine gives out, so I'm thinking 10 or so years and I will be converted

And heck yeah I'll be hitting you up for some help, we will have to design a battery tray that is functional and looks good, along with the new motor mounts for the electric motor. Hopefully we can peg a member on here with some programming expertise to program the battery management and control systems with a cool LED or LCD instrument panel :thumbup:

My goal, we have a whole FZ6 forum build team, develop the prototype, sell the concept to Yamaha and have them bring back a production model electric FZ6 with electrically adjustable seat for both short and tall riders

 

[ChevyFazer]

I am building it, the petrol version in my concept picture will be done within the next 18 months or so (probably being optimistic) all I have left is mounting the new exhaust, installing the R6 swingarm with all that will entail, and bobbing the tail.

Then I will be seriously setting my sites on the electric conversion, I have +30k miles on the engine now so I figure I have plenty of time for the battery technology to improve even more and the prices to drop appropriately before my petrol engine gives out, so I'm thinking 10 or so years and I will be converted

And heck yeah I'll be hitting you up for some help, we will have to design a battery tray that is functional and looks good, along with the new motor mounts for the electric motor. Hopefully we can peg a member on here with some programming expertise to program the battery management and control systems with a cool LED or LCD instrument panel :thumbup:

My goal, we have a whole FZ6 forum build team, develop the prototype, sell the concept to Yamaha and have them bring back a production model electric FZ6 with electrically adjustable seat for both short and tall riders

That would be incredible....im sure you could use some metallurgy for treating some of those parts, just so happens i work for Braddock Metallurgical and have access to a vacuum furnace for treating any non-ferrous material or air hardened materials

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[jtarkany]

Nice, looks like we are starting to develop the dream team:

Jblk:Machinist
ChevyFazer: Metalurgical Specialist
jtarkany: Glorified Gopher and assistant handyman
lonesoldier: Spiritual Guidance, Comic Relief and Crash Test Dummy...er..a...Crash Test Officer

Recruitment still open for more dream team members, I'm thinking off the top of my head;

shreveport on some of the fabrication
Jblk's recommendation motogiro on electronics
stumbles and ozfazer on beer supply
humperdinkel on vegemite supply
wolfman to line up the models for photo shoot :thumbup:

Lone's Additions:
vegasrider: photographer
Krid80: retail sales of the end product
Wavex: test pilot around our own dedicated test track
erci: celebrity endorsement....sorta....

 

[Jblk9695]

Get Motogiro and you have quite a lot of electronic expertise:thumbup:

 

[lonesoldier84]

Nice, looks like we are starting to develop the dream team:

Jblk:Machinist
ChevyFazer: Metalurgical Specialist
jtarkany: Glorified Gopher and assistant handyman
lonesoldier: Spiritual Guidance, Comic Relief and Crash Test Dummy

Recruitment still open for more dream team members, I'm thinking off the top of my head;

shreveport on some of the fabrication
motogiro on electronics
stumbles and ozfazer on beer supply
humperdinkel on vegemite supply
wolfman to line up the models for photo shoot :thumbup:

Hey, I'll have you know my Union card gives me the official title of Crash Test Officer. Show some respect!

some more...

vegasrider: photographer
Krid80: retail sales of the end product
Wavex: test pilot around our own dedicated test track
erci: celebrity endorsement....sorta....

 

[Humperdinkel]

Hey, I'll have you know my Union card gives me the official title of Crash Test Officer. Show some respect!

some more...

vegasrider: photographer
Krid80: retail sales of the end product
Wavex: test pilot around our own dedicated test track
erci: celebrity endorsement....sorta....

:rof: Well played

 

[wrlomas]

In the immortal words of Fozzy Bear.... Wocka wocka!

 

[ChevyFazer]

Who will play the roll of dedicated pescimist?sp? You know the guy to.piss and moan, first one to cuss and throw a wrench across the shop? That guy always shows up to any project lol

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[The Toecutter]

Nice, looks like we are starting to develop the dream team:

Jblk:Machinist
ChevyFazer: Metalurgical Specialist
jtarkany: Glorified Gopher and assistant handyman
lonesoldier: Spiritual Guidance, Comic Relief and Crash Test Dummy...er..a...Crash Test Officer

Recruitment still open for more dream team members, I'm thinking off the top of my head;

shreveport on some of the fabrication
Jblk's recommendation motogiro on electronics
stumbles and ozfazer on beer supply
humperdinkel on vegemite supply
wolfman to line up the models for photo shoot :thumbup:

Lone's Additions:
vegasrider: photographer
Krid80: retail sales of the end product
Wavex: test pilot around our own dedicated test track
erci: celebrity endorsement....sorta....

Lets Do It!! :BLAA: I no where I can get my hands on a R6 with a blown engine for next to nothing.....I can mirror what your building and we could all do the same actualy and make 2 or more prototypes at once with each other's help,this would increase rebound time from enginering delima's that will arise.... sound's like the most EPIC
Build thread ever attempted on a M/C forum to me !! one of my favorite qoutes and i'm not sure who said it..... "Some Men look at thing's and say why? I look at thing's and say Why Not!! " :rockon: :rockon: I found a Motor Kit .. http://www.electricmotorsport.com/store/ems_ev_parts_kits.php

 

[jtarkany]

Who will play the roll of dedicated pescimist?sp? You know the guy to.piss and moan, first one to cuss and throw a wrench across the shop? That guy always shows up to any project lol

We won't have to recruit, like you said, 'That guy' will just show up.

Lets Do It!! sound's like the most EPIC Build thread ever attempted on a M/C forum to me !!

You already know I'm in , I know how I am going to get to this as an individual, Where/How do we start as a forum? If we move forward the eFZ6 has to perform at least as well as the petrol FZ6 in every category except distance and recharge time, and I really like the idea of that electrically adjustable seat, FZ6 riders tend to run the spectrum on height. I would say our minimum goals for performance would be: http://www.mcnews.com/mcnews/articles/200403-599vsFZ603.pdf
Suspension, geometry and weight distribution must provide equivalent handling
Top speed: 136 mph
Quarter mile: 11.32 sec. @ 118.01
0-60mph: 3.44 sec.
0-100mph: 8.05 sec.
60-0 mph: 116.5 ft
Power to weight ratio: 1 to 5.36
Horsepower: 98 hp at the crank for petrol, we need to determine for an electric while 1 hp is 1 hp regardless of the engine, the delivery and associated torque provides a different performance result when comparing petrol to electric.
Torque: 46.53 ft-lbs @ 10,000 rpm (Thanks Mexi-can't)
Range per charge: 200 miles under normal commuter (freeway/city) conditions
Weight: 459 lbs (same as FZ6 wet)

So what are the next steps?
- Do we start an eFZ6 Build Thread?
- Build multiple prototypes or concentrate on one (resources and funds will probaly drive this one)?
- We need to determine AC or DC, DC is a cheaper build, AC is more expensive but provides advantages with regard to power usage, efficiency, longevity, reliability and perks like regenerative braking.
- 72v, 96v, 144v system?
- The technology is there for us to achieve all of the specifications mentioned above, the obvious inhibitor is the performance to price ratio, for example. Using this calculator from EV Source for sizing our battery pack yields the following results to achieve a boring ride range of 200 miles at a weight of 459 lbs:

A 72v System would require 23 LiFePO4 cells with a 130Ah rating at a cost of $4036 and a weight of 223 lbs, 11.48 kWh
A 96v System would require 30 LiFePO4 cells with a 100 Ah rating at a cost of $4050 and a weight of 210 lbs, 11.48 kWh
A 144v System would require 45 LiFePO4 cells with a 70 Ah rating at a cost of $4252 and a weight of 247.5 lbs, 11.48 kWh

These three systems would provide approximately the same performance and range at around the same price, because, as the voltage increases the Ah drops keeping all things equal, except for the amount of power available on demand, when you twist the throttle, which of course would decrease range, same as spirited riding with petrol does, however unlike petrol, the weight of the bike will remain constant.

By comparison the Lito Sora uses a 12 kWh battery very similar to one of these three configurations.

To make for a spirited 200 mile range, you actually have to use Kentucky windage on the calculator and ask for a 300 mile range to compensate for a more spirited ride netting you 200 miles of range. That battery pack looks like this:

A 96v System would require 30 LiFePO4 cells with a 180 Ah rating at a cost of $7290 and a weight of 369 lbs (that leaves 90 lbs for the rest of the bike), 17.21 kWh

 

[ChevyFazer]

Half of what you just wrote was in german to me lol i will gladly keep my mouth shut when it comes to electricity

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[Erci]

erci: celebrity endorsement....sorta....

:rof: yeah.. I'm in

 

[The Toecutter]

I'm following ya here JT .... :BLAA: what i'm gonna do is use the Motor spec's you've given me here and find every cheap used peice of equiptment I can , that I could salvage these components from at a severly discounted price.... like in all the good action movies where the Hero takes a bunch of scrap and bulid's a Robot to save the world !! :BLAA: Also JT you should make the eFZ6 thread, I will start posting pic's as soon as it's up.I have decided to build an eBultaco for the motor tuning and gearing phase... so with actual feild data we can determine what the eFZ6 will require in "Real World" motor application because from my extensive electric R/C experiment's I learned it's realy easy to OVER POWER a vehicle when you start using the Brushless motors and Lipo batteries..... :rockon:

 

[4drfocus]

I can do suspension swaps and swing arm surgery, and some other cool stuff.

 

[FinalImpact]

Motors make tons of Torque right off the line! That's not to say these are a shoe in but ....
0-60mph: 3.44 sec.
0-100mph: 8.05 sec.

Motors can easily win this contest if setup properly.

As for Lipos and R/C stuff, amazing power and new cell technology has current output very high with extremely fast recharge times. . . Gone are the days of charging a 40Ah cell for 40 minutes or hours. They do it 5 minutes or less these days!

Need a sponsor and fund raising team. . .

 

[The Toecutter]

LOOK AT THIS MOTOR http://kellycontroller.com/hub-motor-72v-45kw-high-torquedisc-brake-p-811.html IT'S MADE TO BE IN THE WHEEL !!!!!!!!! way more room for batteries and the weight could be distributed alot more evenly throughout the bike !! this is the perfect motor placement !!!

 

[codeblue]

It's a 1996 FZ, but here's the link from youtube: [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fg1rHHorvY8]1996 Yamaha FZR 600 Electric Motorcycle Conversion In Progress - "eFZR" - YouTube[/ame]

and another: [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S5Dtl0H7ROs&feature=related"]Yamaha Electric Motorcycle eFZR Test Drive by Caflewy - YouTube[/ame]

and lastly: http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=hVO22ZrHlYg