fazer.rider
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this isn't my best lean but it's the only pic i got so far. should my upper body "hang out" more? thanks 
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how's my body position?
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First the disclaimer.
You are not leaning a lot in this picture so there isnt a huge risk of crashing. I dont know how hard you push yourself out there, but the racetrack is the place for it. You are probably mature and understand the risks, just be careful when trying to learn how to corner hard.
When you are learning to corner hard....you WILL crash. even if you arent leaned over a lot or your speed isnt high....you are still learning so will not be smooth in your weight movement and management of the chassis and body positioning and movement and braking and throttle. You may even forget your tires are cold after stopping for a coffee.
When learning....use the racetrack.
now, as for your body positioning. This image should show you what you are doing vs what you should be doing.
the more you get off the bike the less lean angle you need to use. At the same lean angle, the further off the bike you are the more speed you can hold in the corner.
there is much more to think about and know, but that is the reader's digest version. holding greater speed in corners also involves throttle management (in a nutshell you want to be on the throttle so the weight of the bike is 60% on rear tire 40% on front).
There is tons more to it but I wont write an essay here. Read twist of the wrist 2. It will make you aware of a lot.
Go on a track day and to a performance riding school.
I am still learning myself. I will post in another thread everything i learned from the performance riding school at the track and also some handy tips from totw2. but you really need to buy and read it, it is awesome.
You are not leaning a lot in this picture so there isnt a huge risk of crashing. I dont know how hard you push yourself out there, but the racetrack is the place for it. You are probably mature and understand the risks, just be careful when trying to learn how to corner hard.
When you are learning to corner hard....you WILL crash. even if you arent leaned over a lot or your speed isnt high....you are still learning so will not be smooth in your weight movement and management of the chassis and body positioning and movement and braking and throttle. You may even forget your tires are cold after stopping for a coffee.
When learning....use the racetrack.
now, as for your body positioning. This image should show you what you are doing vs what you should be doing.
the more you get off the bike the less lean angle you need to use. At the same lean angle, the further off the bike you are the more speed you can hold in the corner.
there is much more to think about and know, but that is the reader's digest version. holding greater speed in corners also involves throttle management (in a nutshell you want to be on the throttle so the weight of the bike is 60% on rear tire 40% on front).
There is tons more to it but I wont write an essay here. Read twist of the wrist 2. It will make you aware of a lot.
Go on a track day and to a performance riding school.
I am still learning myself. I will post in another thread everything i learned from the performance riding school at the track and also some handy tips from totw2. but you really need to buy and read it, it is awesome.
a good quick tip is use your forearm to guage your body position. if youre forearm is lined up so it makes a straight line with your handlebars, it will help you to see where your upper body should be.
forearm straight with handlebar, one ass cheek off the seat, upper body off the bike and off the red line shown above, and head around your mirror or so. chin up and look through the corner.
keep on the throttle. cutting the throttle is the same thing as hitting your front brake almost. it will lessen the traction your tires have. if you are in so hot that you feel you need to cut the throttle abruptly, but cant brake and avoid hitting something, you are better off to get further off the bike and hold your line holding steady on throttle.
forearm straight with handlebar, one ass cheek off the seat, upper body off the bike and off the red line shown above, and head around your mirror or so. chin up and look through the corner.
keep on the throttle. cutting the throttle is the same thing as hitting your front brake almost. it will lessen the traction your tires have. if you are in so hot that you feel you need to cut the throttle abruptly, but cant brake and avoid hitting something, you are better off to get further off the bike and hold your line holding steady on throttle.
fazer.rider
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wow lonesoldier thanks a lot did you use photoshop?
did you use photoshop?
yup.
I'm awesome like that.
I'm awesome like that.
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hey man first off all sweet pic!
Looks pretty good. Id square them shoulders up with the direction you want to go. Your leaned off the right distance. You want your Bass (space between your and your) to be on the edge of the seat. looks like it is. Hard to tell b/c im so tired, but i think you need to be more on the balls of your feet?
How was your line around that corner? looks kinda funky to me.
Looks pretty good. Id square them shoulders up with the direction you want to go. Your leaned off the right distance. You want your Bass (space between your and your) to be on the edge of the seat. looks like it is. Hard to tell b/c im so tired, but i think you need to be more on the balls of your feet?
How was your line around that corner? looks kinda funky to me.
n1one
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Lone,
Great explaination, from your pitures it is obvious that the rider is twisted in the seat, his lower half is hanging off the bike, but the upperbody is more in line with the center of the motorcycle...it shouldn't be.
As you pointed out, the whole body or as much as possible should be below the centerline of the bike, with your head in a straight line with your forearm.
Great pics, they are worth a thousand words. :rockon:
It sounds if the original poster know this stuffs, but I have learned that just knowing the right way is not enough, you have to practice and get good instruction from qualified riders........which I am not!
Thanks for posting...it will be interesting to see what Defy or Wavex or other folks have to say.
Great explaination, from your pitures it is obvious that the rider is twisted in the seat, his lower half is hanging off the bike, but the upperbody is more in line with the center of the motorcycle...it shouldn't be.
As you pointed out, the whole body or as much as possible should be below the centerline of the bike, with your head in a straight line with your forearm.
Great pics, they are worth a thousand words. :rockon:
It sounds if the original poster know this stuffs, but I have learned that just knowing the right way is not enough, you have to practice and get good instruction from qualified riders........which I am not!
Thanks for posting...it will be interesting to see what Defy or Wavex or other folks have to say.
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keira
Mrs. Reiobard
One tip that was given me when learning how to lean, is to make like you're oging to kiss your mirror on the side you are leaning to. if you try to get your face that far over, it will lessen your lean angle, but allow faster cornering by getting all of your weight on that side of the bike, not just your legs and bum.
Fred
M em b er e d
Your butt should not be on the seat at all. You still have one cheek on, probably because you're putting all your weight on your inside leg.
The trick I learned from Hellgate is to take the outer leg and use it like a hook to hang onto the bike. Doing it that way, you don't need to put any weight on the inner leg, so you can really shift your weight far to the inside of the corner.
Find a long sweeper where you can play with your positioning a bit. Once you get it right it's very comfortable.
The trick I learned from Hellgate is to take the outer leg and use it like a hook to hang onto the bike. Doing it that way, you don't need to put any weight on the inner leg, so you can really shift your weight far to the inside of the corner.
Find a long sweeper where you can play with your positioning a bit. Once you get it right it's very comfortable.
madmanmaigret
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California superbike school has a neat bike called the "lean bike" it has, what I will call, "training wheels" under it. I think it is not possible for it to fall over so you can hang off going two mph if you want. That has got to be the number one way to lear how to lean.
I also agree with everyone else:
1. Read any book you can to learn
2. if possible go to a school (California superbike is not just in Cali if you weren't sure)
3. weight should be on the outside peg (seems backwards at first)
4. any coach who can watch you do this will help tremendously (buddy who is a good rider, helpful guy at a track day, etc)
Have fun stay safe!
I also agree with everyone else:
1. Read any book you can to learn
2. if possible go to a school (California superbike is not just in Cali if you weren't sure)
3. weight should be on the outside peg (seems backwards at first)
4. any coach who can watch you do this will help tremendously (buddy who is a good rider, helpful guy at a track day, etc)
Have fun stay safe!
DefyInertia
Former '04 FZ6 Rider
I don't follow this.
No butt on the seat at all? I've always been told to put my outside butt cheak on the inside of the seat. If you're not putting your weight on your inside peg and the seat, where are you putting your weight?
IMO, you're not supposed to truly hang from the bike.
Here is a picture similar to the one the OP posted but with a little more commitment.
No weight on the hands or outside foot. The outside leg is really just floating.
One thing is for sure, everyone has their own technique.
hmm, good tip about hooking the outside leg. but i agree you should still have one cheek on the seat.
but truthfully, its tough to learn via forum. you will misunderstand something and do something else a bit weird and get all crossed up or who knows.
your best bet is to spend like 150 or 200 bucks or whatever it is for a performance riding school in your area. your riding will improve more in a day than it will in 2 years of riding and experimenting on your own.
but truthfully, its tough to learn via forum. you will misunderstand something and do something else a bit weird and get all crossed up or who knows.
your best bet is to spend like 150 or 200 bucks or whatever it is for a performance riding school in your area. your riding will improve more in a day than it will in 2 years of riding and experimenting on your own.
also, worth showing another example of good form:
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Heres Lones example of how to wheelie. I moddified the pic with some helpful hints.
n1one
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:rof::Flip::rof:
JaysFZ6
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I like the hints pic on how to wheelie:rockon: I always tell my wife that wheelies happen by accident and not fun at all I think she knows I am lying though:spank:
I think she knows I am lying though:spank:
hahah. oh man thats too awesome for words.
keira
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