Best liter supersport bike?

[Neal]

Seem like most magazine reviews have the bmw s100rr as the best bike for the track.

But, when i look at the results of racing in world super bikes I see BMW near the bottom.


What gives? How do you tell what bike is really the best for the track?

 

[Motogiro]

There are so many great bikes out there. The bikes in those races are not the same as what you're buying for the street but there are lots of bench marks to read about and what effect they have on your riding will be pretty controversial and dependent on your skills. It's very hard to exploit 600cc sport bike technology let alone 1000cc super bike. If you want to own what's claimed to be the best super bike and that's what makes you happy then do that but you may want to look at what bike fits you and your needs in a more dynamic way.

I've seen guys on 250 cc bike romp all over bigger bikes. The bigger bike might have it in the straight away but a skilled rider in the turns is what I like to see and be. You can always buy a bigger faster bike but developing your skills is the goal.
The BMW is an awesome machine! I know 3 people that ride them.

 

[lonesoldier84]

They're pretty much all the same man. You will never notice the differences in chassis, braking, etc.

The only things you need to really look at are:

1) Ergonomics (each one fits different)
2) Engine characteristics (eg. powerband, etc) [worth mentioning the engine category is why the new R1's get truly stellar reviews]

Those are the two things you will notice to a very significant degree. The rest of the differences are so small as to be trivial. All those "superbike shootouts" would have 10 different results in doing them 10 different times.

So anytime anyone gives you a "this is the best litrebike" speech you should know it is heavily based on personal opinion and not objective fact. I guess some of the new electronic modes can play a bit of an objective role in terms of which ones are actually useful and which ones are still glitchy. But not by much.

All that being said....







........the Yamaha R1 is far and away the best litrebike.

 

[Humperdinkel]

I havent had the pleasure of riding one yet but I really want to have a ride of this :rockon: :rockon:

I can vouch for the amazingness of the current R1 on the road but I have read that on the track the suspension is a little soft :don'tknow:

But from what I read the CBR1000RR bike is INSANE & looks damn sexy too :drool:

 

[ChevyFazer]

I would agree with motogiro and lone and mix there opinions up to say this, chances are you will never be able to get the most out of a 600cc ss (best or worst) so you really wouldnt be able to get the max outta a liter. And if you cant get the max out of the bike then its only a winner on paper. Also all those bikes are so closely grouped together only a professional could tell them apart on a track imo. So the decision on wich is best would be wich one fits YOU best

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[Clovis]

I really enjoyed my 07 R1 but that's my only experience for liter bikes.

Like everyone says, it's hard to exploit a 600 let alone a 1000. I'm faster and have a lot more fun riding my FZ6 then the R1, all though I do miss the raw horse power of a liter bike when passing cars.

 

[lonesoldier84]

That "you'll never get the max out of it" logic is stupid.

How many people here would get the max out of a 450cc motard? Go sell your FZ's people.

Litrebikes make you piss yourself with life-affirming insanity. Even if you're not getting the max out of it in terms of lap-times....WOT coming out of a corner or on a long straight will still be something you'd never be able to replicate on a 600.

And the sooner you start putting down that kind of power, the sooner you get used to it. (No that's not an argument to get an R1 as a first bike haha)

 

[Clovis]

He's right, you do get used to the power -- 600s are just more agile in the corners (in my experience).

You're absolutely right about rolling WOT coming out of an apex, that is a special feeling you can't get on a 600!

 

[lonesoldier84]

He's right, you do get used to the power -- 600s are just more agile in the corners (in my experience).

You're absolutely right about rolling WOT coming out of an apex, that is a special feeling you can't get on a 600!

Man a supersport literbike is agile enough. It weighs nothing and flicks back and forth like a female mind. Haha

Just throw on some racing slicks and the 'pointier' profile of the tire will allow it to flick THAT much quicker.

If you need to flick any quicker.......you are SERIOUSLY a great rider. :thumbup:

 

[SweaterDude]

if youre gonna buy a literbike, buy what looks the best to you. theyre all gonna be uncomfy, all fast, all flickable. and in racing. more money/better sponsors=better riders=more wins

 

[lonesoldier84]

Just going to reinforce the fact that the engines are pretty different though in terms of characteristics. R1 is extremely peaky and is very subtle......until it isn't and hits hyperdrive. The powerbands on the others are each a bit different too and delivery of the power will play a role when considering how different riders like to ride.

And honestly about the comfort, after getting into a bit better shape I find I don't mind it as much as I did before. Still not a tourer though obviously.

And as for it being faster around a racetrack, that's not necessarily true. That all depends on the rider and the track. Our local track has a lap record set by an R6. We don't have many long straights though and the lap record was set by a guy who races for Yamaha nationally haha.

 

[lonesoldier84]

I havent had the pleasure of riding one yet but I really want to have a ride of this :rockon: :rockon:

I can vouch for the amazingness of the current R1 on the road but I have read that on the track the suspension is a little soft :don'tknow:

But from what I read the CBR1000RR bike is INSANE & looks damn sexy too :drool:

Yeah man. And it looks SO HOT in red....

:BLAA:

 

[McLovin]

Thats the one ^^^^^ :cheer:

 

[Motogiro]

Just going to reinforce the fact that the engines are pretty different though in terms of characteristics. R1 is extremely peaky and is very subtle......until it isn't and hits hyperdrive. The powerbands on the others are each a bit different too and delivery of the power will play a role when considering how different riders like to ride.

And honestly about the comfort, after getting into a bit better shape I find I don't mind it as much as I did before. Still not a tourer though obviously.

And as for it being faster around a racetrack, that's not necessarily true. That all depends on the rider and the track. Our local track has a lap record set by an R6. We don't have many long straights though and the lap record was set by a guy who races for Yamaha nationally haha.

Keep in mind the R1 changed in 2009 and was fitted with the crossplane crank engine with uneven firing order. Great motor! :BLAA:

 

[lonesoldier84]

Sure did. If I could afford one I'd buy it in a heartbeat!

 

[ChevyFazer]

That "you'll never get the max out of it" logic is stupid.

How many people here would get the max out of a 450cc motard? Go sell your FZ's people.

Litrebikes make you piss yourself with life-affirming insanity. Even if you're not getting the max out of it in terms of lap-times....WOT coming out of a corner or on a long straight will still be something you'd never be able to replicate on a 600.

And the sooner you start putting down that kind of power, the sooner you get used to it. (No that's not an argument to get an R1 as a first bike haha)

I didnt mean that your not gonna be able to get the maximum capability out of the bike so dont get one i meant it as the average joe wont be able to get the max out of any ss bike so picking the one that is best on paper is pointless, pick the one that best fits you. Just because joe pro racer can turn the fastest lap times on bike x doesnt mean that you will be able to turn the best lap times on bike x, you might find bike y faster for you. Thats more or less what i was getting at.

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[lonesoldier84]

I didnt mean that your not gonna be able to get the maximum capability out of the bike so dont get one i meant it as the average joe wont be able to get the max out of any ss bike so picking the one that is best on paper is pointless, pick the one that best fits you. Just because joe pro racer can turn the fastest lap times on bike x doesnt mean that you will be able to turn the best lap times on bike x, you might find bike y faster for you. Thats more or less what i was getting at.

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Ah, that's all good.

And yeah it is stupid when people buy an S1000RR because they think it's so much better. Buy it if it makes you happy but don't be "that guy" haha.

I was just saying litrebike vs 600 that is a common argument when people say "you'll never need a litrebike cuz you'll never get the most out of a 600 even".

 

[Neal]

Ah, that's all good.

And yeah it is stupid when people buy an S1000RR because they think it's so much better. Buy it if it makes you happy but don't be "that guy" haha.

I was just saying litrebike vs 600 that is a common argument when people say "you'll never need a litrebike cuz you'll never get the most out of a 600 even".

Right that argument makes no sense. If I get fifty percent out of 600 and fifty percent out of a liter bike it is pretty clear I would be doing better on the liter bike.

 

[Hellgate]

All things being equal, I'd take the Aprilia RSV4 APRC SE for the track. Out of the box the suspension and the most recent electronics package is by far and away the best out there. But like 125cc motocross bikes there will be a better one next year.

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That said and in the REAL world, I'll take a 600 SS bike, as my old and slow, '05 R6 smoke faster liter bikes all day long.

 

[FZ09Bandit]

i for one am loving the f4, probably never be able to afford one. BUT i love lambos also :BLAA:.




Mayby the pic will post up there? dont know how to put them in just yet. which is why i have 0 rep power?

hah Figured it out!