All Obama supporters should watch this:

[tom5796]

Since none of us will likely be elected

Speak for yourself! :rockon:

 

[rsw81]

I think a requirement for president should be to properly clean and lube a chain on an FZ-6.

That would be the day!

Haha, Palin can lube my chain any time she wants. Just so long as she isn't the VP.

 

[mdr]

I really don't like the label socialism, I like to call it what it is Social Justice. Why should someone be denied something because of the life they were born into. And I'm talking basic needs such as medicine and education.

Our current administration is privatizing profit and socializing debt. Heck now the big three car makers are looking for a hand out.

If McCain dies in office McPalin will be president and vice president would Nancy McPelosi.

Just a nitpick, but you might want to take another look at the Constitution.

President Palin will be able to pick the next VP should she "be so blessed" as to ascend to office. Sort of like what happened when Spiro T Agnew got caught with his hand in the corruption cookie jar and had to resign. Nixon appointed Ford. It did require Senate confirmation but Ford was purely Nixon's choice. Then of course Nixon bit the dust too and Ford got promoted. So Ford picked Nelson Rockefeller as VP. Again Nelson required confirmation, but no problem there either.

Carry on...

 

[Shafe716]

Haha, Palin can lube my chain any time she wants. Just so long as she isn't the VP.

agreed :thumbup:

 

[rsw81]

agreed :thumbup:

Giggity giggity

 

[08fz6]

not saying i like either choice but thought this was interesting. [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TG4fe9GlWS8"]YouTube - Dear Mr. Obama[/ame]

 

[nimzotech]

GOP propaganda. The kid is obviously reading a script to the left of the camera. Anyway, it's not difficult finding YouTube videos. I have one also with McCain:

Do you want that man to win?
[nomedia]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ze3zZlYCjr4[/nomedia]

 

[08fz6]

GOP propaganda. The kid is obviously reading a script to the left of the camera. Anyway, it's not difficult finding YouTube videos. I have one also with McCain:

Do you want that man to win?
YouTube - The many (scary/funny) faces of John McCain

yeah i realize as stated above i thought it was interesting. I don't feel either is suited to be president. The really funny thing is with you that you flame everyone for how they feel. You state arguments that are 100% Obama.... no one person is perfect they both have qualities that people like or dislike. Everyone is entitled to how they believe. I just found this and posted it that's it, end of story. O and in case you haven't noticed presidents dont write their own speeches. ever think they did that so he didn't slip up and it came out 100% right.....

 

[nimzotech]

I, just like you simply posted what "i thought was interesting". I am also not posting vote for "Obama" directly, just like you are not saying you are for McCain.
No flaming needed and since you are not for any of the two presidents don't take it personally.

 

[08fz6]

I, just like you simply posted what \"i thought was interesting\". I am also not posting vote for \"Obama\" directly, just like you are not saying you are for McCain.
No flaming needed and since you are not for any of the two presidents don't take it personally.

im not taking anything personally, and as stated before I don't feel either of them is suited im not for either!

 

[Oscar54]

Are all socialist as excited and worked up and call people names :squid: like you do?
If so it doesn't sound that good to me.

Oh did I hurt your feelings!

It's OK for you to insinuate that I am somehow less American than you or that I am a pussy, but you get your little feeling hurt by a :squid:

Poor baby!

 

[Oscar54]

First, please excuse my use of personal information. It is only to make a point.



If you paid less than $75K in income and property taxes last year then I've got you beat. Not including Social Security (more on that later). I'll be damned if I'm going to be forced to give up more of a percentage, let alone the straight dollars. Btw, I am not \"rich.\" I live in one of the most expensive regions of the country and I have also lost, for now, half of my savings in the last 6 months.



I don't think anyone is disputing that. Infrastructure, military protection and some oversight. The problem is excessive taxes designed to redistribute earned wealth, pay for failed programs (like the CRA) and pay bloated administrative agencies.



Do you not think that there are perfectly respectable charitable organizations out there that are way more efficient than the the government who burns 40% of monies mired in bureaucracy before it ever gets to the person who needs it? I give a lot every year as a percentage, and I would give more if the gov wasn't already taking as much as they do. And I have a basic faith in humanity that lots of folks would do the same.

Seems one of the people on this forum has had some trouble recently. Who gave more to him, this forum or the government? How much of a cut did the FZ6-Forum take? And while it's convenient for politicians (and the media who supports them) to pin the blame of the current crisis on evil corporations, it was the government (democrats Frank and Dodd mind you) that enabled them to do it, encouraged them to do it and measured them on their progress in doing it.

Regarding retirement accounts, I'm sorry, but that's a risk. One could have just stored the cash in their mattress instead. And, frankly, if they've been investing their savings for the last 30 years it would still add up to more than if it was kept as greenbacks in the mattress, even with the current downturn.

OK, safetyt net. That's what Social Security was for. Now it it used to fund programs, and Mr. Obama would like to completely decouple it from from being my money, and hit it progressively too!



B-school is actually extremely pragmatic. Have you been to a class? An awful lot is built around creating incentives. Incentives to buy, sell, how you account, how you measure, how you invest... The only incentive to get a hand out is to show up at the mailbox to get your check.

Look, back to my first point above. I spent $50K on an undergrad education which I funded on loans and working, stocking shelves at a grocery store. It took me 10 years to pay it back. I worked two jobs during the first 2 years after college so that I could afford the high cost of living in the Northeast and to pay back the loans. I took a risk to change professions and go to a company that almost collapsed in 2001 but had great potential, and it paid off. I went to night school while working full time... for four years to get an MBA, having paid another $50K. You think I'm a corporate villain? When a toll collector in my state makes 90 grand (plus pension starting at 55, which I don't get, and bennies) you bet I'm going to be pissed about facing another round of tax increases. You bet I'm pissed that the tax \"rebate\" didn't come my way. What, I don't spend as well as others? In hindsight, perhaps I should have become a toll collector, saved the cash I spent on school and retire at 55... THAT is an incentive. THAT is the problem. If we all became toll collectors paid by the government we wouldn't get very far.

And I'm not alone. Sure there are some nasty business folks who scammed the system and made the headlines (Enron) but for every one of those there are 10s of thousands of us who are already paying way more than our \"fair\" share.




You too! Btw, I'm not hatin' on you. You ride an FZ6! I believe this country was built on certain principles of self sufficiency (Ask not what your country can do for you...) and you think it is time to fully morph it into something different.

Tom, I admire that you have been so successful. I too wish I could earn enough money to pay $75K in taxes.

Do you like redistributing your wealth to the Wall Street bankers and hedge fund managers who made tens of millions or more?

If charitable organizations were doing the job originally I don't think there would have ever been welfare? I'm not sure where the 40% overhead figure you use came from, but I have heard that medicare's overhead is 3% while private insurance is much more.

I think it was admirable the way members stepped up to help a fellow member. However, it appears he lost pretty much everything from subsequent posts. While I don't know him personally, and don't agree with him politically, I do feel that he is a good person trying to make a living. I also feel that as a society we can help each other out in situations like this with government programs.

I know I'm not going to convince you, but all this about Frank and Dodd is baloney. How did they do it with Bush in the White House and Frisk and Delay running the Senate and the House? Do the have extraordinary powers? It was the deregulated climate and corporate executive greed, plain and simple. Even Greenspan admitted as much.

Why do you so cavalierly defend these Wall Streeters? Yah, the market will eventually come back, but the average American took it in the shorts, and these guys are getting the 700 billion and still living in their mansions? What did they loose?

Yes social security is a safety net and is a main reason more people aren't destitute. And the current situation is the primary reason it should never be privatized. I don't quite understand what you are talking about, but the taxation of SS was Greenspans doing back in 82, as a way to raise revenue for Reagan's tax cuts.

Yes, I went to B school, got a BS in Accounting and Finance, got my CPA too. I just have a problem with their attitude toward labor. I don't particularly like being referred to as a "HUMAN RESOURCE". I don't think people who work for a company should be thought of like trees, or minerals, or some other resource that is used up and when it is spent you just discard it. I think that if a person invests their life in a corporation they deserve more than a gold watch. Hell, the executives walk away with millions after running a company into the ground.

I never said you or anyone is a corporate villain per se. But I don't think what is going on now is the result things just not turning out right! Like, "Wow, who would have thought that making loans to people without verifying their job and income might not be a good idea?" And it wasn't Dodd and Frank that forced them to do it.

I am also impressed that you have the drive to get two MBA's. Did you go to a public university or a private one? Also, did you get a private student loan? Or was it one that was subsidized by the government? I'll take your word on the 90K for a toll taker, but it seems a little high to me?

I'm not hatin' on anyone, I just get annoyed reading BS like a community organization like ACORN is the root of all evil for trying to organize poor people to use their vote to better their situation, but wealthy people and corporate organizations doing the same is not? Or having my patriotism questioned or it being inferred that I am Un-American if I don't buy that a completely unregulated free market is nirvana! Aside from the fact it has never existed.

If anyone read all of this, Thank-you.

 

[formula154]

Oh did I hurt your feelings!

It's OK for you to insinuate that I am somehow less American than you or that I am a pussy, but you get your little feeling hurt by a :squid:

Poor baby!

No you didn't hurt my feelings. Why would I have my feelings hurt because you act like a silly little twit? Do all socialist act like silly little twits and call people names?

(((((((((It's OK for you to insinuate that I am somehow less American than you or that I am a p*$$y,))))))))) You have quite a ridiculously wild imagination. Are all socialist prone to just make stuff up in order to make their imaginary case sound better?

 

[Shafe716]

enough already! :spank::spank::spank:

 

[04fizzer]

This day can't end soon enough. I come to these communities to get away from the political crap that's all over the internet. Let it die!

This is a MOTORCYCLE COMMUNITY. Get the politics out of here.