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Horrific exhaust law trying to be passed

I have a Two Brothers Racing exhaust with attenuators installed.
It's probably what you're doing with your exhaust that has set the tone for pushing enforcement of these already existing laws.

If you haven't seen Southpark's Brub Brub Brub episode about loud bikers you must!


There are already Noise Control Act laws and federal motorcycle noise emissions regulations that any state can adopt. I'm sure many if not all can do this at any time if they haven't already. Could they make this law retro to older bike? Read carefully! This law talks about bikes made from 1982 on. Although we can be an emotional, reactive people, I believe our government and law enforcement are not that zealous when it come to enforcing these laws.

I think this is more an issue of your attitude and law enforcement.

The last statement in this is interesting in as much as the words "any person" is used in filing a complaint in regard to violation of this EPA law.

NoiseOFF - The Coalition Against Noise Pollution - The Solution

Congress gave states and their subdivisions broad powers to control motorcycles and motorcycle exhaust systems11-1 with respect to vehicle owners who deliberately make their motorcycles loud. The federal government's job is to control the manufacturers of motorcycles and motorcycle exhaust systems. States and subdivisions are not required by Congress and the EPA to adopt these federal laws and regulations; only encouraged11-2.

Therefore the only way to keep loud aftermarket competition use exhaust systems off street use motorcycles, is for states or political subdivisions to make it illegal to install them. This is easily achieved by adopting the Noise Control Act (NCA) and federal motorcycle noise emissions regulations into state laws and/or cities local noise ordinances. It is far easier for states and subdivisions to use their rights of section 4905e(2)11-3 of the NCA, to license, and/or, regulate what type (only EPA approved) of exhaust systems are installed on federally regulated motorcycles, than to test all exhaust systems with ineffective stationary type noise level testing procedures.

This can be achieved by including the following in statutes to vehicle noise codes:

Motorcycles: all highway use motorcycles, manufactured after December 31 1982, shall be equipped as required by federal EPA noise emissions regulations 40CFR205 parts D&E, pursuant to the NCA of 1972, to include; a) labeled exhaust systems, free of defects or modifications, that state they meet federal noise emissions standards, in accordance to the maximum dba levels for the model years listed below; and, b) All other related equipment, to include chaise mounted labels (as a means to facilitate vehicle and exhaust system applicability), and other integral exhaust system components11-4. Nothing in this section shall prevent the installation of U.S. EPA approved low noise emission mufflers11-5 onto these motorcycles11-6.

Maximum U.S. EPA noise emission muffler ratings, for highway use motorcycles manufactured;
After 1982 and before 1986: 83dba
After 1985 to present: 80dba

Doing this will enforce the highest standard of motorcycle muffler and only allow quiet, tested, and appropriately labeled EPA approved mufflers that meet federal noise emissions standards (and prohibit all other types of mufflers), to be used on street use motorcycles as is the way they all come from the factory since 1983. No sound level meters or special skills are required.

The NCA additionally gives states and political subdivisions wide ranging authority, such as the right to restrict the operation and movement of federally regulated motorcycles within neighborhoods, at times of day or night, or the number of federally regulated motorcycles operating together.




The NCA also gives every citizen of the U.S. (regardless of whether their state adopts and enforces the NCA) the option of commencing a "citizens suit11-7" against motorcyclists, motorcycle manufacturers, and their agents (dealerships), and aftermarket motorcycle exhaust system manufactures that violate the NCA11-8.

This option was clarified to Congress by the EPA at the Senate hearing in 1982 (with the closing of the Office of Noise Abatement and Control (ONAC)) as a replacement legal option available to states, cities, and citizens, in the absence of ONAC, as this was one of its duties:

"...under the citizens suit provisions of the act [NCA], any person including any state or local government, may bring a civil suit against a manufacturer or other person who is allegedly in violation of an existing regulation11-9."
 
Was trying to find the original article that talked about keeping bike at shop till OE exhaust was put on. Found this link:

Maine Citizens Against Loud Motorcycles - home

I guess they are serious about this noise business. I hate the idea of a subjective test where the officer chooses whether THEY deem it to be too loud. If I had to go to a inspection facility just to fight an unjust ticket I would want to be compensated for my time and aggravation. Thank god NJ doesnt require inspections. :Flip: :D
 
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Is my exhaust illegal in any state-yes
If caught with it should I be punished-yes
Why did I do it-i enjoy the sound
If I bought legal pipes before (big if it passes) the law passed should I be punished- no
Will they punish me for having bought legal pipes before the law passed- doubtfully
Could they- yes
Am I a *******-yes

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Was trying to find the original article that talked about keeping bike at shop till OE exhaust was put on. Found this link:

Maine Citizens Against Loud Motorcycles - home

I guess they are serious about this noise business. I hate the idea of a subjective test where the officer chooses whether THEY deem it to be too loud. If I had to go to a inspection facility just to fight an unjust ticket I would want to be compensated for my time and aggravation. Thank god NJ doesnt require inspections. :Flip: :D


As you can see the article also talks about there already being a reduction in noise in areas that are enforcing present law. This is on bikes with already illegal exhaust systems. The exhaust systems are loud but the riders are exercising caution because of enforcement.

Edit: Sorry I hit the edit by accident when I wanted to quote... :tard:
 
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I know its just exhaust but I guess what im getting at is if it dose pass then where will it stop...I mean im all for saving the enviroment but whats next people coming in your house inspecting your appliances to make sure they have a energy star lable and if not make you buy new ones....I know that is a extreme exaggeration but seriously where would it stop once it starts

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I know its just exhaust but I guess what im getting at is if it dose pass then where will it stop...I mean im all for saving the enviroment but whats next people coming in your house inspecting your appliances to make sure they have a energy star lable and if not make you buy new ones....I know that is a extreme exaggeration but seriously where would it stop once it starts

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Totally understand those feelings! :D My point is that people's behavior is a big part of why this is happening and if riders are more collectively intelligent about their pursuit of happiness we will not be forced back into cages!
 
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I know its just exhaust but I guess what im getting at is if it dose pass then where will it stop...I mean im all for saving the enviroment but whats next people coming in your house inspecting your appliances to make sure they have a energy star lable and if not make you buy new ones....I know that is a extreme exaggeration but seriously where would it stop once it starts

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That's just the slippery slope argument. Loud pipes don't save lives, they just ruin freedoms. It's disgustingly noticeable when a Harley rider drives by at 2am and wakes the whole house up. It's not just the environment they're trying to protect, it's the sanity of the community.
 
That's just the slippery slope argument. Loud pipes don't save lives, they just ruin freedoms. It's disgustingly noticeable when a Harley rider drives by at 2am and wakes the whole house up. It's not just the environment they're trying to protect, it's the sanity of the community.


They should worry about drugs, jobs, housing, and many other things if they are trying to protect the community. Because its about a 50/50 split on peole who like loud pipes vs those who dont besides its just a opinionated thing anyways vs real problems.....and you cant honestly think that loud pipes ruin other peoples freedom lol it ruins peoples freedom to tell them what they can and cant do to their vehicles...so I giess anyone with a aftermarket exhaust is a communist lol
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Should we also put noise and pollution hampers on 747's as well?
--People against loud jets!--

Sometimes i wish we lived in hillbilly land where people take care of things themselves... you drive your harley down the road at 2AM you get buckshot sprayed at you.... next time, you avoid that road (or take the dam straight pipes off your harley!)... he's happy, your not in pain. ..Sorry i digress :rolleyes: lol

Actually i just had an idea.... pass a law that says: Sure you can ride your Harley and be as loud as you want, but if you annoy someone and are over a certain Db limit, they have the right to pull you off the bike and give you a beating?

I'm not evil i swear :D
 
Totally understand those feelings! :D My point is that people's behavior is a big part of why this is happening and if riders are more collectively intelligent about their pursuit of happiness we will not be forced back into cages!

Agreed and yes my pipes are really loud but I would like to think im not a prick about it because I know they are really loud, you can ask anyone of the people i ride with on the forum the first thing i always ask is do you want me to ride at the back because of my exhaust, when I ride through residentual areas or neighborhoods I always downshift to quiet it down, same for late at night, because I find it annoying as well when any vehical storms by house late at night with loud pipes thats just being inconsiderate squids, ricers, pirates, rednecks or hoodlums

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...so I guess anyone with a aftermarket exhaust is a communist lol
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Whaaaa....? :eek:

Its all part of the growing pains of globalized world. The more people in it, the smaller the world gets and the more we are forced to deal with each other. In a stunning twist of irony, it seems the world is moving increasingly towards a trend that people are less able to deal with hearing or being confronted by conflicting views without resorting to instantly throwing out the arguments of "freedom", "constitution", "communist", "Hitler"..."insert your conversation-ender here"..etc. etc. A lot of difficult issues can often be argued BOTH ways and this makes focusing on the facts of the matter and a willingness to compromise all that much more important. You already illustrated both by admitting that A.) your pipes are loud and B.) you alter your RPM in residential areas to compensate for that and to respect the rights of other individuals to sleep unabated. That doesn't make you a communist that makes you a responsible American citizen! :D :rockon:
 
There are plenty of riders with loud pipes that will try to keep the rpm's down when driving through neighborhoods. But there always a few that do the opposite even on this forum riders have said they have loud pipes and always shift at 10k to 12k rpm's even in first and second gear.

I personally think I'm faster on a quiet bikes because I don't worry about annoying others and the cops can't hear me coming 3 miles away.
 
Love the sound of motorcycles. Every time I hear the sound of pipes was off in the distance it puts a smile on my face. I try to guess what type of bike it is by the sound and hope it comes by so i can see if i am right.

I can't relate to people who don't enjoy the sound of a motorcycle. Nothing sounds better on this earth.
 
We live in an overly sensitive world where people misunderstand what a right is versus a privilege. The original post was about what rights States and Federal government has as to enforcing certain laws. The people of Maine voted on this thing 3 times (if I read it correctly). If that's how the good people of Maine want to run their state they can, majority wins. If you don't like it either get with your elected officials and move forward on changing the law or move to another state but by all means don't disregard the law because you don't like it. Jails and prisons are full of people who disregard laws (which constitute more major crimes).

Believe me, as an LEO (law enforcement officer) I wouldn't want to enforce that law unless I thought it prudent to do so. Like many other traffic infractions that I let go (no turn signal, not stopping at the designated point, etc) most of the time. I know people gut catalytic converters all the time but am I going to make them dismantle their system to see if the cat is intact or not? No. Or the HID retrofit lights that people put on non-HID equipped cars. They aren't legal either but I have never stopped anyone for it.

Complaining about how your freedoms are slipping away... preaching to the choir, young man. There was a time when you could drive without a drivers license nor insurance. No seat belts. No helmets. You could smoke cigarettes anywhere you wanted. Before Homeowners Associations you could paint your house any color you wanted, or fly an American flag in your front yard.

Some legislation is power grabbing, for sure. Some is not. Some are enacted because people take too much liberty and make life less enjoyable for the rest of us. If we all lived by the Golden Rule we wouldn't have these problems. But people are people and we all do something that ticks someone else off at one point or another.

Again, I'm in favor of noise restrictions but confiscating your property until it's remedied seems to be the wrong route. Just don't allow the work to be done or don't let it be reregistered until fixed. There are other ways to get to the same result.
 
I can not imagine that a state would force law enforcement onto the private sector. Also, a shop does not have a right to force you to have work done that you have not authorized. You would have the right to make your own vehicle compliant without paying someone to do it for you.
 
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