Norway's harshest punishment is 20 years??? really?

[dxh24]

Read this in a local newspaper, but couldn't find it so here's another story on it.
Norway suspect could be jailed beyond max sentence: Prosecutor

Honestly this guy killed 60+ people and the harshest thing they can do is a renewable 20 year prison sentence? Anyone else a bit irked that this guy isn't up for a public execution?? (maybe not public but you get my drift)...

It's such a sad thing that happened, a shame the police didn't do a good job. I read in the paper this morning that people that had been shot on the island, called for help and we're told to "stay off the lines unless it was about the Oslo bombing".

My thoughts and prayers go out to the family's of the victims of this tragedy, let's hope this guy get's the maximum prison sentence if that's how Norway wants to do it... I don't see how he can't... But odder things have happened in the world.

I know we have some forum members from Norway... is that true that max sentence is 20/21 years or is this just typical U.S. news?

 

[FIZZER6]

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Well in the US a serial killer stays on death row for 5-15 years, costs millions of tax-payer dollars and then when they finally execute him, so much time has passed since the heinous crimes that all the capital punishment whiners make a big deal out of it "poor guy...he has changed...he didn't mean to kill all those people...he was just mentally unstable, blah blah blah...." :spank:

 

[The Dude]

Re: Noway's harshest punishment is 20 years??? really?

This guy would like nothing more than to be executed and become a martyr for his cause. He wants a trial to use as a platform for his political/religious ideology. The most fitting punishment would be to declare him unfit to stand trial at this time. Keep him locked up in a psychiatric facility where he can be studied like a lab rat. Find out what makes him tick and how to identify others like him. Hopefully he will come to understand the consequences of his actions one day in the future. That would be the worst punishment... realizing the error of his ways and regretting all the young lives he snuffed out. Then you could put him on trial and give him 20 years to sit and think about it.

 

[Popeye70]

I know we have some forum members from Norway... is that true that max sentence is 20/21 years or is this just typical U.S. news?

Yes, the 21 year max sentence time in Norway is correct. We do not have those "accumulated life sentences" that you have in the states (kill 5 persons and get 5 consecutive life sentences).

In Norway, you can apply for a release for good behaviour after serving 2/3 of the sentence.

For those extreme cases we do have the possibility of a sentence of detention. A detention can be renewed for more than the 21 years, in 5 year increments (I believe it is).

BTW: It's "Norway", not "Noway" in the title... ;-)

 

[Popeye70]

Re: Noway's harshest punishment is 20 years??? really?

This guy would like nothing more than to be executed and become a martyr for his cause. He wants a trial to use as a platform for his political/religious ideology. The most fitting punishment would be to declare him unfit to stand trial at this time. Keep him locked up in a psychiatric facility where he can be studied like a lab rat. Find out what makes him tick and how to identify others like him. Hopefully he will come to understand the consequences of his actions one day in the future. That would be the worst punishment... realizing the error of his ways and regretting all the young lives he snuffed out. Then you could put him on trial and give him 20 years to sit and think about it.

Execution is not an option in Norway, so that is out of the question.

He obviously didn't want to die. When the police arrived at the island and found him, he peacefully(!) laid down his weapon and approached them with his hands above his head. He did not try to kill himself or fight the police. His manifesto uses the expression "living martyr", and he says himself in the manifesto that a living martyr could benefit his cause. He even demanded to wear his self made parade uniform during the case hearing, and the judge had to stop him when he started reading from his manifesto. He was trying to use the case hearing to promote his case, but the judge ordered it to proceed behind closed doors as they expected something like this. If he had been allowed open doors and to read from his manifesto, his message would have reached a much much larger audience than if he had died at the end of the murder spree.

You must remember that he sees his actions not as two isolated cases of violence/terror that ends with him being captured/killed, but as the start of a revolution to fight multiculturalism in Europe. His enemy is multiculturalism, and the reason he picked the labor party youth camp as his target was to stop the recruiting of young people to the labour party that he sees as the traitor that has allowed other cultures (muslims/islam) into the country. He did not want to kill the prime minister who spoke at the youth camp the day before the killing spree. He waited one day to try to get to our former prime minister Gro Harlem Brundtland as he figures she has a much more iconic place in Norwegian and international politics.

 

[dxh24]

Yes, the 21 year max sentence time in Norway is correct. We do not have those "accumulated life sentences" that you have in the states (kill 5 persons and get 5 consecutive life sentences).

In Norway, you can apply for a release for good behaviour after serving 2/3 of the sentence.

For those extreme cases we do have the possibility of a sentence of detention. A detention can be renewed for more than the 21 years, in 5 year increments (I believe it is).

BTW: It's "Norway", not "Noway" in the title... ;-)

I've been up for 36 hrs, leave me alone!

Would you want this guy released on good behavior though or would you rather he was locked up?

 

[Popeye70]

I've been up for 36 hrs, leave me alone!

Would you want this guy released on good behavior though or would you rather he was locked up?

I don't think he's going to be released on good behaviour, no matter how nice he might be while serving his time. I think he's going to spend his 21 years, with a good possibility for detention for a prolonged time. If he'll be in jail for the rest of his life ...? I don't know. That depends on the political climate when his case is up for consideration, and if he shows sign of anger and improvement.

So far he is justifying what he has done and claims he could have done nothing differently. If he sticks to that explanation he'll be in jail for a long time, I guess.

 

[RustyBasterd]

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Here in the States I dont think that guy would have had a chance to put his gun down. Cops here will shoot someone in this kind of situation without hesitation.

 

[Popeye70]

Re: Noway's harshest punishment is 20 years??? really?

Here in the States I dont think that guy would have had a chance to put his gun down. Cops here will shoot someone in this kind of situation without hesitation.

From what I have heard, the police could not see him, just hear him (and his guns). When they shouted "Armed police" to alert him of their presence, he put his gun down before the police had a visual, so when they could finally see him he had his arms over his head, approaching them slowly.

I don't think any police force can shot an unarmed, apparently not aggressive person that is approaching them slowly with his empty hands raised. There would have to be some kind of clear, present threat to the police for them to fire. Am I wrong?

 

[Themadclowns]

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Here in the States I dont think that guy would have had a chance to put his gun down. Cops here will shoot someone in this kind of situation without hesitation.

And, in my humble opinion, would have been perfectly justified. Murder, on any level, (especialy the obviously pre-meditated kind) should be met with swift punishment. There will always be evil in the world, the problem is we have stopped treating it like evil... 20 years? 100 years? For stopping the lives of 76 people? :disapprove: Doesn't compute to me for this guy... It is a very sad situation. Just my 3.25 cents...

 

[racing_fan]

Personally, I am in favour of capital punishment... not only for pre-meditated murder and genocide but also for things like child molestation... some things disqualify a person from being part of the humanity...

This case is no different... i don't think its wise for a country to completely take capital punishment out of the law; its a last resort, distasteful for sure but an unfortunate necessity in a world where such monstrous acts are possible.

This guys was not the first in the line of maniacs who place enough importance on what they think is right to justify murder... and pains me to say but he wont be the last either. I feel for all victims (and their families) of this and other such deluded minds...

The bottom line is hatred. Not any nation, any religion, any ideology, but hatred... when it gets out of control, we get such horrible acts...

 

[FIZZER6]

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Here in the States I dont think that guy would have had a chance to put his gun down. Cops here will shoot someone in this kind of situation without hesitation.

He would have been taken out at 3,000 yards with a .338 Lupa by a SWAT sniper.

Of course had this been in Asia...they would just bust down the door and pump him full of automatic fire! Shoot first, ask questions later and no more innocent lives are at risk.

 

[Popeye70]

Re: Noway's harshest punishment is 20 years??? really?

He would have been taken out at 3,000 yards with a .338 Lupa by a SWAT sniper.

Of course had this been in Asia...they would just bust down the door and pump him full of automatic fire! Shoot first, ask questions later and no more innocent lives are at risk.

The incident in Norway took place on an island, with quite a lot of trees and other vegetation. Some of those killed were shot while trying to swim off the island. Not only did the police have to arrive in small boats, but the vegetation made it impossible to try a sniper move to eliminate the threat.

The island is so overgrown and full of cliffs and rocks that they are still looking for the missing youths after 5 days. And this on an island that is only 450 x 350 meters big.

 

[Popeye70]

This case is no different... i don't think its wise for a country to completely take capital punishment out of the law; its a last resort, distasteful for sure but an unfortunate necessity in a world where such monstrous acts are possible.

There is a capital punishment clause in our laws, I think, but it was last used in 1945/1946 in the aftermath of WWII. To "qualify" for capital punishment in Norway, you have to have done a crime to the nation (the Quisling thing). Last week's murder spree was obviously not enough.

 

[Tagger]

give him his 21 years and then let him rot in some mental institution for my part. I just hope he doesn't get a platform to spread his ideas anymore because that would make him feel like he's winning...

 

[Humperdinkel]

There is a capital punishment clause in our laws, I think, but it was last used in 1945/1946 in the aftermath of WWII. To "qualify" for capital punishment in Norway, you have to have done a crime to the nation (the Quisling thing). Last week's murder spree was obviously not enough.

Same as us in Australia , the only crime still punishable by death is an act of treason :shakehead: How are you going to get a conviction on that in this day & age :don'tknow:

 

[racing_fan]

There is a capital punishment clause in our laws, I think, but it was last used in 1945/1946 in the aftermath of WWII. To "qualify" for capital punishment in Norway, you have to have done a crime to the nation (the Quisling thing). Last week's murder spree was obviously not enough.

Well Breivek himself wanted to strike a blow at the Norwigian way of life. If what he chose to do is not a crime against the nation then I dont know what is...

 

[motojoe122]

Too bad one of the cops didnt stub his toe on the curb and "accidently" place a bullit in the guys head:Flip:

 

[rjo3491]

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I don't think any police force can shot an unarmed, apparently not aggressive person that is approaching them slowly with his empty hands raised. There would have to be some kind of clear, present threat to the police for them to fire. Am I wrong?

Yea, here in my home town, Plymouth, MI (considered by conservatives as liberal) just a few years back, we had a crazed man rush into a church daycare center (just a mile or so from my home). Well to make a long story short, the cops just went in and blew him away, without hesitation (I don't think he was armed). It seemed a bit overaggressive, but I figure with children around, they weren't going to take any chances. The story died a quick death.

 

[viviifz6]

Personally I like the idea of condemned (the movie), but not really let them off the island after. No real people there, just having them kill each other!