Ashamed or proud, whcih should I be?

[rjo3491]

Being a new rider (about a year now) I've made several mistakes none yet have caused any serious problems. I generally forgive myself and avoid the action in the future. The test will be if you've learned anything from this and what you do if you find yourself in the same situation down the road. I get idiots on almost every ride scratching off from red lights simply to beat a bike - I let them go hoping someday to spot the cop they don't see first (in which case, I'll do everything possible to earn them a reckless driving ticket)!

I recall reading en an earlier thread that the standing opinion is that bikes are inherently dangerous - why would a rider want to do anything to reduce the odds of success even more?

Forgive yourself and ride smart!

 

[FZyLarry]

Slower Traffic Use Turn-Outs :thumbup:

That will be my action if I ever get in that situation again. As has been pointed out, it just isn't worth it...

 

[4drfocus]

I don't think you were an idiot, you just didn't have a "pace", if you would've rode at a set pace you could've apex'ed those twistys alot faster. Also grabbing too much rear brake will cause the bike to understeer, thus throwing you out of the lane.

 

[Wiseric]

We all do silly things sometimes but making mistakes is how we learn, some of us (me) just take longer to learn them. But I can almost guarantee that you will never overcook that same corner again.

 

[DefyInertia]

All it takes is one simple drift into the other lane to change lives...

Here is a example caught on film....rider is super lucky and thankgoodness it was a truck and not a bike that he hit.

http://www.600riders.com/forum/bar/13545-ok-stay-your-lane.html

 

[Shook1db]

I cant say i'm ashamed for the simple fact that we all do it. Who doesnt love to showboat a tad bit from time to time. It usually turns out bad but unfortanetly that's how we learn. I voted proud that you did learn and did pull over.

I race motocross (quads) and have learned the hard way that riding over your head isnt always (almost never) a good idea. In my 4th race of my first year I was riding over my head up to a double uphill and ended up going over the handlebars and overshooting the landing which caused a shattered elbow. That really sucked but like I said it tends to be how we learn things.

If were willing to push the limits we will eventually be going to be over our heads until we realize we are there or learn we cant push it that far. In your case it sounds like you knew but you might not have realized it. Fortanetly you realized when you did and you nor your bike is hurt.

Somebodies watchin out for ya.

 

[DefyInertia]

I cant say i'm ashamed for the simple fact that we all do it. Who doesnt love to showboat a tad bit from time to time. It usually turns out bad but unfortanetly that's how we learn. I voted proud that you did learn and did pull over.

I race motocross (quads) and have learned the hard way that riding over your head isnt always (almost never) a good idea. In my 4th race of my first year I was riding over my head up to a double uphill and ended up going over the handlebars and overshooting the landing which caused a shattered elbow. That really sucked but like I said it tends to be how we learn things.

If were willing to push the limits we will eventually be going to be over our heads until we realize we are there or learn we cant push it that far. In your case it sounds like you knew but you might not have realized it. Fortanetly you realized when you did and you nor your bike is hurt.

Somebodies watchin out for ya.

The fact that you share the road with OTHER PEOPLE changes everything. You don't have the right to push it on a public road. We don't all cross the double-yellow.

I've grown up crashing everything...that's how you learn, but you can't involve other people in your own selfish desire to have fun and/or learn. Push it at the track. On the street, show some respect for others and keep it under control.

Easier said then done...but 100% non-negotiable.

 

[Lightndattic]

From the perspective of a noob rider, you looked fate in the eye and fate gave you a break. Feel an equal dose of both emotions. Now if you do it again, then all pride goes out the window.

Before I read about your experience, I couldn't say I wouldn't have done the same thing, but after the shivers went up my spine thinking how many times I had cut that corner in my WRX while out for a spirited romp, I know I definitely will not do that in the future.

 

[Shook1db]

The fact that you share the road with OTHER PEOPLE changes everything. You don't have the right to push it on a public road. We don't all cross the double-yellow.

I've grown up crashing everything...that's how you learn, but you can't involve other people in your own selfish desire to have fun and/or learn. Push it at the track. On the street, show some respect for others and keep it under control.

Easier said then done...but 100% non-negotiable.

You cant sit there and say your perfect. Saying we dont all cross that liine is bull crap. You dont always know your riding over your head.

I agree if your going to push it the track is the best place to do it but we dont always do what's right. You have to think it costs 150 dollars for a track day (though again it's the right decision) it doesnt always happen that way. We cant be quick to judge when 99% of us at some point have made the same mistake.

 

[Zealadin]

I voted a little of both, the main thing is learning from your mistakes, when something like that happens you generally need to reassess your riding at the time and make some quick changes, you never know you might have picked up some oil on your tyres causing the loss of grip so continueing to push it when your not sure can be a dice roll.

Normally its good to let people like that past because feeling like someone is pushing you to greater speeds, especially in real twisties is possibly the worst and most dangerous thing, and afterall slowing down a bit on a visible straight so someone can pass you is a tiny waste of time compared to the possible time spent in hospital after trying to stay ahead

Theres is also some situations where your tyre will slip out a bit and you just need to be confident and in control and you'll be fine, you didn't panic which is what gets alot of people killed

 

[fazer.rider]

quick question OP, did you trail brake and/or hang off when taking that corner?

 

[MCFC21]

I vote proud ...

Not for what you did or surviving the ordeal but for looking back at the situation , analysing it and obviously learning from it.

10 out 10 for honesty

all of us on bikes have done stupid stuff but the dangerous ones are those who know its stupid and keep on doing it or those that are just too stupid to realize what they did was stupid in teh first place. You are neither of these ...Be proud:thumbup:

 

[mbramlett]

Be proud. Yamaha calls our bikes SuperSport for a reason, because they can easily put us in over our heads. You did so and corrected it. In my eyes you didn't live to see another day, get lucky, or anything of that sort you rode your bike like a sport bike. Maybe you shoulda grabbed some more brake on the first instance, and maybe you coulda thought about the traction pie on the second one a little sooner (which is what you did by letting off the gas) but what's the point of having a bike that can scare the S*** out of you if your not going to let it every now and then. Just don't turn into one of those jerks that makes us all look bad and frowned upon which i'm sure your not.

Yeah some of us die doing stuff like that but your not really living if your afraid to die all of the time.


Good job and i'd say just don't push your luck but open her up every now and then.

 

[DefyInertia]

You cant sit there and say your perfect. Saying we dont all cross that liine is bull crap. You dont always know your riding over your head.

I'm not saint, as stated in my first post. I do, however, appreciate when my friends give me shyt for doing something stupid.

I've crashed on the street, which is worse than crossing the line, but I've never crossed a double-yellow out of control. I don't plan on it. I might some day, but I do a lot to make sure I don't. I'm a different rider than I was 3 years ago; I learned the hard way; I'm just glad I didn't take anyone else out! So NO, we don't "all cross that line".

Not something that can really be debated, but I feel that I have a good handle of how under control my riding is at any given moment.

I vote proud ...

Not for what you did or surviving the ordeal but for looking back at the situation , analysing it and obviously learning from it.

10 out 10 for honesty

all of us on bikes have done stupid stuff but the dangerous ones are those who know its stupid and keep on doing it or those that are just too stupid to realize what they did was stupid in teh first place. You are neither of these ...Be proud:thumbup:

I can agree with all of that :thumbup:

Be proud. Yamaha calls our bikes SuperSport for a reason, because they can easily put us in over our heads. You did so and corrected it. In my eyes you didn't live to see another day, get lucky, or anything of that sort you rode your bike like a sport bike. Maybe you shoulda grabbed some more brake on the first instance, and maybe you coulda thought about the traction pie on the second one a little sooner (which is what you did by letting off the gas) but what's the point of having a bike that can scare the S*** out of you if your not going to let it every now and then. Just don't turn into one of those jerks that makes us all look bad and frowned upon which i'm sure your not.

Yeah some of us die doing stuff like that but your not really living if your afraid to die all of the time.


Good job and i'd say just don't push your luck but open her up every now and then.

It kinda seems like you're completely overlooking the fact that this is a public road and other people can be hurt. Would you feel the same way if you had hit him head on while on your bike and lost a leg or worse?

Yes I am taking this all the way out to worst case scenario; I do this in an effort to stay in touch with reality....I try to consider my own health, my family, and the public when deciding how to ride. I'm not some self-rightous all high and might pric...just trying to converse.

 

[mbramlett]

Motorcyclists kill themselves much more often than other people so I don't take things out that far. I have been in a terrible terrible accident and lived to walk away so please don't say i'm just being nieve. I just know fom experience that you have to take things pretty far on the edge in order for someone to die and to say that your gonna do that on a 90 degree turn is saying a whole lot. In fact the only way I see a motorcyclist killing someone else is if its another motorcyclist in the exact wrong place at the exact wrong time, making the wrong evasive maneuver and wearing the wrong gear. Now I know that's not exactly true but i'm talking about riding over your head not riding like a jackass.

Pretty much if it's fun for you and it makes you happy weigh the risks. Plenty of people get in motorcycle wrecks and get up and look at their mangled bikes like damn that sucks. Of course that's saying their WEARING THE RIGHT GEAR.

 

[DefyInertia]

So yeah, if I want to make 100% sure that I never cause harm to someone else, I should just stay at home locked in my house.

Alternatively, I can take the fact that I *might* ruin it for someone else seriously and act accordingly. I simply approach it as a serious thing and respond logically from there. It's the nonchalant attitude of "it happens" that I don't agree with. And with that in mind, I am generally ashamed of myself if I do something that *could have* turned out really bad....that's all.

I take particular exception to crossing the double-yellow because as much as you say that the odds of something really bad for someone else happening are very low, the more peopel do it, the more likely it is. I lucky to ride a lot and I ride year round on twisty pavement....I rail around corners at times and very often find someone doing the exact same thing in the opposite direction....if one of us *blows it* and we hit each other it isn't going to be pretty.

What are the odds? Well, they are what you make them based on your riding habits...case in point.