Don't use the frame sliders......

[KUMAJ]

It is picture of YAMA-Slider bracket was broken.

http://umemura8.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sozai/prn01.jpg

Yamaha's engineer already know Engeneering plastic is enough(too tough) toughness and worried about serious damage to cylinder or frame??? OR just "innocent"??

I'll use this engine guard with slider

http://www.goldmedal.co.jp/cgi-use/shop/item_l/y07.jpg

 

[manju]

Allow my intruption. I think 5 inch is too long. Also, Engineering prastic shouldn't be used and, PP Plastics are better for use(to absorb shocks). I'll install engine guard and frame slider in this year.

You get it, I also think that my 5 inch sliders is too long,
like a big lever to made it broken~

From your post:

It is picture of YAMA-Slider bracket was broken.
http://umemura8.hp.infoseek.co.jp/sozai/prn01.jpg

Which is the best design for sliders, which install to the alum. mount,
the alum. mount are broken first, but mind.... broken the frame first~

so I recommend using original parts or Engine guard

 

[HavBlue]

That's your problem right there. Buy a quality crash tested product next time and hope for the best. There is a reason everyone at the race track uses sliders.

Yup and saving plastic ain't one of them. Saving the frame, maybe... And giving your leg a little room could fall in there too.

 

[opds9091]

I can tell you from first hand expierence that for a tip over or a drop it would work, at low speeds it would work, for a hard lay down it would prevent EXTRA damage to the body, fairing, crank case cover, frame, etc. I had to lay the bike down at approx. 55mph (an 18 wheelier just came into my lane) and just put it down as easy as possible. The end result damage, need new sliders, rear driver and passenger pegs and a new side pod(fairing) could have been alot worse for me and my bike. So every accident is different, for a small investment of $40-80 dollars makes sence to me.
If you look at mine you can see mine.

 

[HavBlue]

I can tell you from first hand expierence that for a tip over or a drop it would work, at low speeds it would work, for a hard lay down it would prevent EXTRA damage to the body, fairing, crank case cover, frame, etc. I had to lay the bike down at approx. 55mph (an 18 wheelier just came into my lane) and just put it down as easy as possible. The end result damage, need new sliders, rear driver and passenger pegs and a new side pod(fairing) could have been alot worse for me and my bike. So every accident is different, for a small investment of $40-80 dollars makes sence to me.
If you look at mine you can see mine.

I don't think there is any doubt that a quality slider will do it's job in that if it is a slide or slow speed drop where nothing digs in the bike will suffer what could be consider minimal damage as in your case. After all, they are called sliders. Beyond the slide or accident of that nature, they will offer little or no protection. To be frank, an accident of 55mph with no more damage than was received in your case is very rare indeed; even if the bike was put down on purpose and under control. The mere fact that a slider would act as a pivot point allowing the frame and body to float back and forth would allow for collateral damage beyond the simple skuffs. There is no doubt in my mind that sliders do have their limitations as do other things..

 

[DefyInertia]

There is not doubt that sliders can, in certain cases, create more damage than they prevent; however, in the overwhelming majority of cases, they prevent more damage than they cause.

This is evidenced by countless crashes witnessed by the riding community on the track and countless more crash reports posted online. Most everyone who crashes regularly (generally people who ride fast at the track), purchase frame sliders as cheap insurance.

Crashing is a possibility for everyone; anyone who thinks otherwise is in denial. Simply put, a quality frame slider equipped bike has a better chance of carrying on with less post-crash investment required.

FWIW, I've had a frame slider save me hundreds of dollars and I've had one cause my bike to flip and come to a rest completely upside down....frame sliders FTW!!! :thumbup:
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[HavBlue]

This is evidenced by countless crashes witnessed by the riding community on the track and countless more crash reports posted online. Most everyone who crashes regularly (generally people who ride fast at the track), purchase frame sliders as cheap insurance.

I wish the streets were as predictable as the track. Unfortunately they're not and the crashes on the track are often quite mild compared to those on the street fast or slow. Cheap insurance? I suppose but then again why are we paying thousands of dollars over the lifetime of the bike to some company that says they will take care of it?

 

[DefyInertia]

I wish the streets were as predictable as the track. Unfortunately they're not and the crashes on the track are often quite mild compared to those on the street fast or slow.

Cheap insurance? I suppose but then again why are we paying thousands of dollars over the lifetime of the bike to some company that says they will take care of it?

I'm addressing both street and track. Crashes on the track are mild??? There are certainly less cars to come in contact with but crashes involving hard objects (common in bad street crashes) are outside of this discussion since frame sliders don't affect the outcome in situations like that.

Most insurance policies have deductibles and some people only pay for liability insurance. The key is get a quality slider. I don't need to expalin to you or anyone else why it's never fun to get an insurance company involved unless you need to and how rates tend to go up after an accident....come on now.
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[HavBlue]

I'm addressing both street and track. Crashes on the track are mild??? There are certainly less cars to come in contact with but crashes involving hard objects (common in bad street crashes) are outside of this discussion since frame sliders don't affect the outcome in situations like that.

Most insurance policies have deductibles and some people only pay for liability insurance. The key is get a quality slider. I don't need to expalin to you or anyone else why it's never fun to get an insurance company involved unless you need to and how rates tend to go up after an accident....come on now.

Deductible= $100.00 Last crash expense= $3,500 Insurance went up $6.00 annually. Typical sportbike crash sliders or not= Total

Like I said originally, sliders have very limited save factors and crashes will often be beyond the scope of their respective abilities.

BTW, I rode the Harley 38 miles home and insurance is a relative factor as you pay for what you get. Dealing with the insurance company was awesome and I have no regrets for paying more as it was well worth it. The cost annually for that bike is under $300 per year. The FZ6, which is worth half as much is double that of the Harley. To me, simply paying for liability is a fools bet as you will typically lose.

 

[DefyInertia]

Deductible= $100.00 Last crash expense= $3,500 Insurance went up $6.00 annually. Typical sportbike crash sliders or not= Total

Deductibles vary. My FZ6 isn't even worth 3,500 as is (apples to oranges). Regarding $6 annually, I suspect you fit a very low risk profile based on your age etc. and we're not talking about HD's here (I take it you were not at fault?)!

EDIT - glad you made it out safe!

I completely disagree that the typical sportbike crash [that does not involve hitting a large object] = total.

Like I said originally, sliders have very limited save factors and crashes will often be beyond the scope of their respective abilities.

This is a very poor argument against using them. You can say the same about a lot of precautions people take...not a reason by itself not to be careful.

I have never used sliders on my FZ6 and probably won't for this very reason.

The reason being they "stripped his frame like a bottle opener" = cheap sliders + bad crash!

one thing is for certain, they dang sure won't help protect much.

Maybe not on a chromed out HD where most of the value is in the looks. On an FZ6 where most of the value is tied up in performance, they protect much!

BTW, I rode the Harley 38 miles home and insurance is a relative factor as you pay for what you get. Dealing with the insurance company was awesome and I have no regrets for paying more as it was well worth it. The cost annually for that bike is under $300 per year. The FZ6, which is worth half as much is double that of the Harley. To me, simply paying for liability is a fools bet as you will typically lose.

Ha! I'm 25 and insure my FZ6 for $160/year (liability and theft) in Chicago! I've run the numbers, considered my FZ6's value, my riding style and location, and made the call (it was a hard one to make). That said, if I had a different bike etc., I may go a different route as I have with my cars. Looking back, I made the right call but you know what they say about hindsight...

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Point is, we can find specific examples to support or go against sliders all day which will get us no where because, as you know, every crash is different. The fact that they become irrelevant in many crashes is not a reason not to use them. The odds favor a slider equipped bike vs. a nonslider equipped bike which really should end the discussion. Can anyone say otherwise?

:thumbup:
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[HavBlue]

Point is, we can find specific examples to support or go against sliders all day which will get us no where because, as you know, every crash is different. The fact that they become irrelevant in many crashes is not a reason not to use them. The odds favor a slider equipped bike vs. a nonslider equipped bike which really should end the discussion. Can anyone say otherwise?

:thumbup:

I don't know how you're figuring the odds here but I would love to see the math on that one. You could use the finest material known to man for a slider and if there was enough lateral energy input, that slider is going to fail meaning fold over, bend, strip out at the mounting boss etc. etc... I have no problem with folks that use them but I think they are way over rated regardless of their respective quality. I have seen a number of bikes that have had them on and while they may have protected the frame to a point, the collateral damage they didn't protect was not minimal by any means. Now, this does not hold true for the full frame slider where the bike could literally be dumped over with no problem at all. They do however look like crap. Sportbikes and accidents or drops don't mix and they generally don't fair too well.

 

[DefyInertia]

Ok ok...we'll agree to disagree -- and you'll be disagreeing with a lot of people crash regularly.

One last point though, they make great highway foot/leg rests if you ever have to hit the slab!

:thumbup:
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[Boneman]

Fine don't use em them.

Some people also don't see the need to wear seatbelts or helmets too....

I don't know how you're figuring the odds here but I would love to see the math on that one.

Math? Who needs to see the math on this one...it's called COMMON SENSE!

I figure anything that can help reduce or prevent even minor dammage to my bike is a good idea. Mine did save my bike from minor cosmetic damage not to mention the annoyance to me.

Considering that they are relativly in expensive, especially compaired to replacing just one part on your bike, it's a no brainer (well for most people anyway). Heck, most of us pay hundreds/thousands a year for insurance to help "protect" our bikes in the event of an incident and/or damage that usualy comes with a $500+ deductable, so spending $60 for sliders to save me from spending money on body work and parts from a minor incident or drop makes perfect sense to me.

+1 on the foot/leg rests Def!

 

[Gosling1]

Ok ok...we'll agree to disagree -- and you'll be disagreeing with a lot of people crash regularly.

One last point though, they make great highway foot/leg rests if you ever have to hit the slab!

:thumbup:

+1000000 After a 500+ mile day of almost non stop riding, stretching the legs while still riding is a BIG help!!!!

 

[HavBlue]

That's your problem right there. Buy a quality crash tested product next time and hope for the best. There is a reason everyone at the race track uses sliders.

Yeah and it ain't to save the bike. It will however save that leg from getting smashed.

 

[DefyInertia]

Yeah and it ain't to save the bike. It will however save that leg from getting smashed.

*shrug*

Last time I lowsided (at about 35/40 MPH) on pavement (the most recent time I was already in the runoff/grass) my bike was completely saved with the exception of the frame slider ($30 for one) and rear pod ($15) but my leg was smashed by the kickstand and cost my insurance company just shy of $5,000 in medical fees.

Every crash is unique, that's for sure.
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[HavBlue]

*shrug*

Last time I lowsided (at about 35/40 MPH) on pavement (the most recent time I was already in the runoff/grass) my bike was completely saved with the exception of the frame slider ($30 for one) and rear pod ($15) but my leg was smashed by the kickstand and cost my insurance company just shy of $5,000 in medical fees.

Every crash is unique, that's for sure.

Absolutely true..... How did your leg manage to get hung up under the bike?

 

[au.FZ6N]

I actually bought my sliders for the more mundane accidents, like forgetting to put down the kickstand, hitting a curb, etc. Once I'm up to 30 mph or so, I'll be a lot more worried about my bones than my bike.

pretty much spot on there

i have some generic ones on the bike, and at a 10km/hr drop i had 6 weeks ago (broke my ankle in the process) the knobs worked well

without them i would have a messy frame and god knows what may have happend to the engine casing

at speeds where the knobs would fail and cause damage to the bike, im pretty sure the bike would be pretty ****ed without them too (ie grind damage etc)

i dont have all that fairing there to protect my pretty frame... :Sport:

 

[steveindenmark]

I dropped mine almost at a standstill and ended up having to buy a new front and left inner fairing.

My sliders are ordered and are going on.

You can do hell of a lot of damage at just 30 kph whether you have sliders, engine guards or whatever. That is just the law of physics.

Steve

 

[Fazer55]

Can anyone recommend good companies to purchase frame sliders from? and what companies to stay away from?

What are some products that you have on your bikes? and how do you like them? Easy installation?

Just picked up my first bike, 2005 Yamaha FZ6 and the frame sliders seem like a smart investment

-Thanks-