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Limit on bhp?

Just stumbled across this in the European section of the forum. Any of you guys heard about limiting all road bikes to 100bhp?
http://www.600riders.com/forum/europe/29045-eu-commision.html

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Its been tried before and didnt go through, I wouldnt get panicky about it yet tbh. IF it did go through it would only be applicable to new bikes manufactured after the date of legislation. Can you imagone the uproar and the colourful language if ALL bikes were made to drop to 100bhp at the owners cost? Tbh its them French neighbours that are pushing for this. Doubt very much it will happen


Edit: Just found a brief article about this on MCN.

100bhp limit threat - | Motorcycle News | Bike News | Motorbike Videos | MCN
 
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They do it in France already... and Europe will have to consolidate its laws eventually...

Who needs more than a 100bHP for the streets anyway? Give me 100HP and 100lb/ft of torque and I`ll be happy forever on the streets :D
 
Maybe France will just have to come into line with the rest of Europe on this one, instead of the other way round.

Nah, never happen :D
 
Yeah it won't happen... but I can tell you the french ppl would be happy about it... all my rider friends back home hate me for being able to buy 100+ HP bikes... even though I am very happy with my 100HP Buell :)
 
I understand you're defending france, but why the hell should there be a law for this?

An idiot will crash anything:

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I guess we shouldn't be allowed to ride anything...
 
The UK laws of limiting new riders to smaller bikes seems like a pretty good compromise policy. I don't know if France does something similar, as well as the max-hp limit? Mandatory training above a certain hp limit combined with new rider restrictions might be a better "law" vs. an outright ban.

I agree that 100hp should be plenty for street use although if I rode two-up a lot or was a larger individual, I'd think there could be situations where more power would be useful. But it is TQ to some extent there. The manufacturers could revise the engine designs and gearing for more TQ at the expense of topend hp but they would probably resist as I assume most of the street technology comes from racebikes, and I doubt they will enact limits there....hp is king on the track.

I also do think the predominant number of bikes on the road are already less than 100hp, so I'm not sure what affect this law will have on a meaningful lowering of accident rates (if that is the goal).
 
I understand you're defending france, but why the hell should there be a law for this?

Where am I defending France exactly? lol I actually totally agree with you dako, since no-one can provide proof of any link between displacement/HP and fatality rate. I have always been a big fan of the statement "it's not the bike, it's the rider!!!". :thumbup:
 
The UK laws of limiting new riders to smaller bikes seems like a pretty good compromise policy. I don't know if France does something similar, as well as the max-hp limit? Mandatory training above a certain hp limit combined with new rider restrictions might be a better "law" vs. an outright ban.

I agree that 100hp should be plenty for street use although if I rode two-up a lot or was a larger individual, I'd think there could be situations where more power would be useful. But it is TQ to some extent there. The manufacturers could revise the engine designs and gearing for more TQ at the expense of topend hp but they would probably resist as I assume most of the street technology comes from racebikes, and I doubt they will enact limits there....hp is king on the track.

I also do think the predominant number of bikes on the road are already less than 100hp, so I'm not sure what affect this law will have on a meaningful lowering of accident rates (if that is the goal).

Yeah in France it's like 37HP for 2 years and then 100HP max... imo it's not a bad law considering the number of stupid a-holes on the roads (+ I personally believe that 100HP is enough FOR ME for the streets, as long as the torque is there...).

And if you want to buy a 160HP machine you can ride it on the streets with a throttle limiter to 100HP, and take the limiter off for the track... best of both worlds (who actually uses 160HP on the streets?)!!
 
Depending on the market of course, vehicles with large powerful engines will always be appealing to certain buyers. In the US they already manufacture cars with speed governors to limit a car at perhaps 135 mph or in my 1996 GM ~108 mph. Even if something like this passes chances are they'll still sell the larger displacement/ built to run motorcycles with a thousand horsepower, they'll probably just end up putting a limiter on them so you can't pass a certain speed. Some of the cars in the US even have lines of code programmed in to limit engine power during break in or if the owner is lazy and cheaps out on maintenance. Whatever the future case may be, when the government comes out with some new restriction, a few months later some aftermarket product comes out to defeat it. I wouldn't worry about it. ;)
 
I think they take your bike away if they catch you and you took the limiter off the bike. And they don't mess around on the road in France... tens of thousands of radars everywhere (mobile or fixed) and they have a drivers license with 12points on it. You loose the 12 points you loose your license.

They still have the highest rate of death on the road in Europe. LOL
 
Depending on the market of course, vehicles with large powerful engines will always be appealing to certain buyers. In the US they already manufacture cars with speed governors to limit a car at perhaps 135 mph or in my 1996 GM ~108 mph. Even if something like this passes chances are they'll still sell the larger displacement/ built to run motorcycles with a thousand horsepower, they'll probably just end up putting a limiter on them so you can't pass a certain speed. Some of the cars in the US even have lines of code programmed in to limit engine power during break in or if the owner is lazy and cheaps out on maintenance. Whatever the future case may be, when the government comes out with some new restriction, a few months later some aftermarket product comes out to defeat it. I wouldn't worry about it. ;)

I think those limitations were for legal reasons, in that a vehicle should not be designed to travel faster than the speed rating of the OEM tire. Our bikes have Z rated rubbers, right?
 
Go FRANCE! :rof:

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Several publications are reporting the possibility that the European Commission (EC) could be preparing to implement a European-wide limit of 100HP on motorcycles when the European executive power meets this summer. The issue arises after France instituted a 100HP ban on new motorcycles, causing the country to be out of line with the rest of European Union. France’s new law places an undue burden on manufacturers, who must now make a French variant for each new EU motorcycle model (or just not offer the bike in the French market all-together), and as such the EC aims to bring the EU under one policy.

This has created cause for alarm in the industry (or just in sensationalist journalists) who fear that the EC could place 100HP limits across the entire EU, along with other hindering provisions as well (mandatory ABS brakes seems to be the other main concern), in order to bring balance to the Union’s approach on motorcycles. If that sounds ridiculous to you, then you’re in the same boast as us. Considering how the EC and EU directives, regulations, and decisions actually operate, the real likelihood seems to be the possibility of France’s law being repealed, but that doesn’t mean activists have any less cause for alarm.

There are several examples one can pull from for legal precedent where the EC has found a member state’s own regulations to be in conflict with the equal application of trade and commerce within the European Union. These cases should give motorcycle proponents strong ammunition to avoid an EU-wide power limit, and could even override the French statute as a disruption to the free trade that occurs within EU member states.
However the issue at stake is an even larger bone of contention, as high-performance sport bikes ridden by steet hooligans have caused a backlash in Europe. Motorcyclists looking to show off, or who would rather not take it to the track have created attention to high-performance motorcycles, and not in a good way. There is a growing negative sentiment in Europe towards sport bikes, and this French law limiting horsepower is a prime example of that sentiment turning to action.

With all these factors coming into play, there is cause for concern that some EU-level decision to curtail these activities could be handed down, under the guise of making the streets and motorcycling itself safer. Should the EC concur with this general sentiment, changes could be instituted; however we would expect a fight all the way to the European Court of Justice no matter what plan is instituted. While we believe the French law will almost certainly be repealed, it does signal a growing trend that the EC could adopt.
 
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