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Need Help S2 transmission output shaft install on S1 bike

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Hi all, discovered much to my dismay over the weekend that the transmission drive axle/output shaft splines that carry the sprocket are worn on my 2004 FZ6 (S1), permitting the sprocket to slam about even with the clamping nut tightened to spec — I discovered this after riding home from work on Friday with severe vibrations throughout the bike as the sprocket was moving around on the shaft without me knowing. This is currently making the bike un-rideable for fear of risking further damage and also wrecking bearings inside the transmission with the uneven loading of the shaft as the sprocket wiggles around.

The S2 models (2007 onwards) changed the retaining mechanism to use a nut with a collar that gets peened into a notch on the end of the shaft, which is apparently far more reliable than the folded lock washer on the S1 from the reading I've done. My question is then, will the output shaft from an S2 fit into the transmission on an S1? Visually they look almost identical with just the sprocket end changing, it would be nice if I could just swap in the S2 shaft as a replacement as they seem to be cheaper and easier to get hold of.

The photo attached shows the wear on the shaft with the left-hand edge closest the threads showing the normal trapezoidal shape of the splines and to the right is nicely worn smooth on the leading edge. I've double checked that the sprocket still moves around even with the lock washer and nut torqued to spec, it was making one hell of a clunk as it moved around with just the back wheel being spun by hand. Judging by the rust this wear has been there for a while and both me & my friend missed it as we had the transmission apart last year to sort out a different issue, meaning to replace it I have to do the same work all over again... The noise doesn't seem to be usual Yamaha noises, chain rollers over the sprocket etc. but a definite clunk and vibration as the bike is in motion.

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I would think it would fit HOWEVER, checking part # (would be different with the notch) AND PRICE,
their very different in $

S1 $232.00 (Picture available)
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S2 $140.00 (No picture available)
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I would think they would too, I wanted to see if anyone had actually done it! It does look like the only difference is the sprocket end and I guess that would make sense as nothing else internally changed between the years. Over this side of the pond (UK) I can get a used S2 shaft with little cost whereas finding the S1 part is more difficult (apart from brand new). Either of them brand new are around ~£230 which is why I was looking at used ones
 
I think before I went to all that work, I would try getting a new sprocket welded onto the existing shaft. If the fit is too sloppy, you could temporarily center it with some kind of shims during the welding.
Yes, it will only last as long as the front sprocket, but shaft replacement is a lot of money and labour time.
 
Hi all, discovered much to my dismay over the weekend that the transmission drive axle/output shaft splines that carry the sprocket are worn on my 2004 FZ6 (S1), permitting the sprocket to slam about even with the clamping nut tightened to spec — I discovered this after riding home from work on Friday with severe vibrations throughout the bike as the sprocket was moving around on the shaft without me knowing. This is currently making the bike un-rideable for fear of risking further damage and also wrecking bearings inside the transmission with the uneven loading of the shaft as the sprocket wiggles around.

The S2 models (2007 onwards) changed the retaining mechanism to use a nut with a collar that gets peened into a notch on the end of the shaft, which is apparently far more reliable than the folded lock washer on the S1 from the reading I've done. My question is then, will the output shaft from an S2 fit into the transmission on an S1? Visually they look almost identical with just the sprocket end changing, it would be nice if I could just swap in the S2 shaft as a replacement as they seem to be cheaper and easier to get hold of.

The photo attached shows the wear on the shaft with the left-hand edge closest the threads showing the normal trapezoidal shape of the splines and to the right is nicely worn smooth on the leading edge. I've double checked that the sprocket still moves around even with the lock washer and nut torqued to spec, it was making one hell of a clunk as it moved around with just the back wheel being spun by hand. Judging by the rust this wear has been there for a while and both me & my friend missed it as we had the transmission apart last year to sort out a different issue, meaning to replace it I have to do the same work all over again... The noise doesn't seem to be usual Yamaha noises, chain rollers over the sprocket etc. but a definite clunk and vibration as the bike is in motion.

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I would also consider removing the rusty collar(behind the sprocket)and replacing it with a new collar #90387-2504A-00 before running this countershaft again,as the rust on it may have already damaged your oil seal.
 
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All done! It took a while mainly because I was being lazy not wanting to get on with it in a hurry (the weather here has been naff for riding so there was no rush). Total time spent on it was maybe a day or two at most including engine out, dismantling, shaft rebuild and replacement then reinstallation. Photo was the first ride out on it yesterday in the sun, that being the nicest weather since getting it finished on Sunday!

I can confirm the S2 shaft does indeed fit straight into an S1 engine, needs new circlips between the gears as noted in the service manual. The used shaft I purchased included just the collar behind the sprocket and the bearing, everything else was transferred from the original shaft in the bike.

Happy to have it back on the road now, just need to get on with touching up rust spots in the paintwork, maybe an engine repaint or at least some form of tidying up and then make the most of summer riding when it arrives!
 
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