bothering trend .. rant ..

[fzme]

Someday I will walk into a dealer, negotiate my best price, and walk away happy knowing I bought a high quality machine.

People sometimes forget about the negotiation. They go in to a dealer to buy a bike, when they should be going into a dealer to negotiate. There is always a couple/few thousand bucks that either the dealer makes from you, or you save on the purchase. The bike is the distraction that keeps the extra money in the dealer's pocket instead of yours. If a dealer has enough time invested in you, and you are clear that you want to buy a bike, the dealer won't let you walk out the door. That's a blown sale. So his distraction for you is the bike. What's your distraction for him? Patience and a wad of cash. Bringing in a cash amount (if you can) that is less than MSRP, but what you want to pay for the purchase. i.e. $8000 in cash for a bike with a $10000 MSRP. A cash transaction means less paperwork, no banks, no laons, no credit checks, etc. It's a one-and-done sale. Hopefully the salesperson bites. This scenerio isn't fool-proof, but treating the whole thing like a pyschological game will keep you focused on wearing the salesperson down instead of buying a new bike.

 

[Wavex]

Real wages of worker around the world have been going down the last few years.

I get it from almost everyone I know, including myself.

Ah ok! You must know a lot of ppl around the World then

 

[Wavex]

People sometimes forget about the negotiation. They go in to a dealer to buy a bike, when they should be going into a dealer to negotiate. There is always a couple/few thousand bucks that either the dealer makes from you, or you save on the purchase. The bike is the distraction that keeps the extra money in the dealer's pocket instead of yours. If a dealer has enough time invested in you, and you are clear that you want to buy a bike, the dealer won't let you walk out the door. That's a blown sale. So his distraction for you is the bike. What's your distraction for him? Patience and a wad of cash. Bringing in a cash amount (if you can) that is less than MSRP, but what you want to pay for the purchase. i.e. $8000 in cash for a bike with a $10000 MSRP. A cash transaction means less paperwork, no banks, no laons, no credit checks, etc. It's a one-and-done sale. Hopefully the salesperson bites. This scenerio isn't fool-proof, but treating the whole thing like a pyschological game will keep you focused on wearing the salesperson down instead of buying a new bike.

In California, I tried to buy a Jeep Wrangler cash, and it was more expensive than to finance it.

When I tried to buy my Buell, I tried to negotiate and the Harley dealer had NO issues letting me walk away at anything below MSRP. Even today, with Buell gone, Harley dealers in LA sell at MSRP and MSRP only.

 

[fzme]

In California, I tried to buy a Jeep Wrangler cash, and it was more expensive than to finance it.

When I tried to buy my Buell, I tried to negotiate and the Harley dealer had NO issues letting me walk away at anything below MSRP. Even today, with Buell gone, Harley dealers in LA sell at MSRP and MSRP only.

Good points. I guess there are a lot of factors that go unto the situation (dealer competition, buyer/dealer experience, local economic conditions) Oh and the recession...(trying to forget about that) makes things harder for JoeBuyer.

 

[LERecords]

im not saying that the bikes arnt "worth" it.. but that if you want to build a market base, then price your bikes so that more people can "actually" afford them.. 10k for someone say 18-24 years old is kinda a strech... Im not discounting buying used, but this is a buy new thread .. i liked the idea of bringing back some smaller displacment engines.. 300-450 cc's is probably more than anyone really "needs".. we dont need to get into a need/want flame session here, i just think, if yamaha was to come out with the rd350 say next year.. and it was priced around say 5k (somewhere in the 5 range would be nice), i think we can all agree that alot of people would be buying a bike like that.. make it look cool and if it topped out at say 120 ish, that would be a great, affordable bike for people.. thats all this rant really was about.. 10k for a supersport is fine i guess, but give us some lower options for the people that dont want a supersport or want to spend 10k... :thumbup:

 

[fzme]

im not saying that the bikes arnt "worth" it.. but that if you want to build a market base, then price your bikes so that more people can "actually" afford them.. 10k for someone say 18-24 years old is kinda a strech... Im not discounting buying used, but this is a buy new thread .. i liked the idea of bringing back some smaller displacment engines.. 300-450 cc's is probably more than anyone really "needs".. we dont need to get into a need/want flame session here, i just think, if yamaha was to come out with the rd350 say next year.. and it was priced around say 5k (somewhere in the 5 range would be nice), i think we can all agree that alot of people would be buying a bike like that.. make it look cool and if it topped out at say 120 ish, that would be a great, affordable bike for people.. thats all this rant really was about.. 10k for a supersport is fine i guess, but give us some lower options for the people that dont want a supersport or want to spend 10k... :thumbup:

I agreed completely. I would LOVE to be riding around town on this exact bike. Hell, I don't even care if it can't do 100mph. It's light (easy to flick, easy to stow at work/home), low insurance costs, fewer parts to buy/maintain. Sticky tires, good suspension/brakes, and even good acceleration down low are still possible with a smaller bike. Sounds like I'm talking myself into a supermoto...