Oregon Scientific ATC9K Review

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( i wrote this up on my blog today, thought some people here may be interested)
Summary:

Good camera, overall, many interesting features, that I hope will become more standard on other “action” cameras: snapshot ability, waterproof w/o any case, remote control, G-force sensor, and optional GPS unit. Not so good mounts (though, at least some of them), especially NOT motorsports-optimized, below average PC software UI. Above average video quality. Good controls. You will need to come up with some mounts yourself, but once you do, the camera performs great.
Intro:

This past summer I played around with GoPro HD camera, and I liked it overall, but did not care for the controls, and having to switch backs back and forth. Controls of the camera are plain horrid! Do you really want me, the popcorn-chewing consumer, to have to memorize what those numbers mean? Anyways, back to store the camera went, and I thought to myself, “the ‘action’ cameras are still somewhat ‘raw’”. Fast forward 6 months, and I’m revisiting the camera question – I’d like to take some videos and pictures while riding, and I don’t want to mount Canon 7D onto the bike. After much research and thinking whether I should bite the bullet and go back to GoPro, I decided to give Oregon Scientific ATC9K camera a try. I got it from REI.com (20% off coupon and some dividends helped ;-) ) with the optional GPS module and after few days of waiting, here it is, in my hands.
Packaging and Contents:

The packaging looks impressive and promises video/photo paradise on earth. I like the black/yellow color scheme – very Monster Yamaha :)
ATC_box.jpg

The package includes: camera itself, li-polymer battery, remote control, synthetic camera carry bag, helmet mount, handlebar mount, velcro and silicon straps, usb cable, front and rear protective caps, and hdmi cable. The required microSD Class 4 memory card is not included.
ATC_contents.jpg


External Features and Controls:

The controls are fairly simple and intuitive (watch and learn, GoPro!) there are two large buttons on top of the cylindrical body – one for taking a snapshot, and another one to start/stop the video recording. You cannot take a snapshot while making the video. The rear of the camera has 1.5 inch LCD screen (refer to the earlier comment, GoPro, no need to pay extra to get a “backpack” to be able to play the video) which I found sufficiently bright to view video on a sunny day. The screen contains all the needed information: shooting mode, exposure compensation, quality, photo quality, white balance, battery status and timer. There is also an optional leveling aid with longitudinal (roll) and lateral (pitch) indicators.
ATC_back2.jpg


There are 5 control buttons under the screen: Menu, Previous, Play/Pause/Ok, Next, Power. These buttons are just the right size – I can even work them wearing summer motorcycle gloves – and they require some force to be pushed, so accidental activation is not likely.

One of the reasons why I got the camera is the remote control. It’s a nicely sized remote with buttons matching control buttons on the camera, minus the power button. The remote is NOT waterproof – something that I think Oregon Scientific could address – why not keep the “all-terrain” style in all working parts? Meanwhile, I’ll have to improvise:
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The remote seems to work at distances up to 10 ft., with one IR receiver only in the front of the camera.

Speaking of the front of the camera, here is the frontal view – the lens is set inside the plastic rim, so the camera can be put onto its front without damaging the lens. Right next to the lens, we have an LED indicator, laser pointer and IR receiver. The LED indicator shows charging status and recording status. The laser can be set to work for 5 or 10 seconds before the start of the video to align the shot.
ATC_front2.jpg

Inside the waterproof door, we have the GPS module, the battery the microSD slot and HDMI and mini USB connectors (just when I hoped I could switch all my sync needs to microUSB, but Canon 7D uses mini as well, so I suppose i shouldn’t complain). The camera is waterproof to 60 ft./20 meters – not as diver-friendly as GoPro in its shell (down to 180 ft/60 meters), but the way I look at it, when you are at those depths, you have other things to worry about, such as pressure and light.
ATC_back3.jpg

The only remaining external feature of the camera is the microphone which is located on the opposite side from the two main control buttons.
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How It Works:

The camera powers up after the power button is pressed for more than 2 seconds and takes just about 2 seconds to power up. Luckily all the music can be disabled. Camera also has Privacy mode, where the camera will not make any sounds and will not indicate the recording status via the LED indicator.There are plenty of adjustments and modes to play with – on par with regular point’n'shoot cameras, which is pleasantly surprising, yet mostly useless, in my opinion.
GPS (optional):

One cool feature of the camera is the GPS module that is optionally available for the ATC9K camera. I am loving it – now I can record where I was without much thinking. The GPS module creates a .MAP file which is later read by Oregon Scientific software and plotted on Google Maps.
ATC_gps.jpg

G-Sensor:

Another cool feature is the G-sensor which records the acceleration and velocity into the same .MAP file. The software that comes with the camera will display the information in parallel to the video as well as some statistics and charts, Acceleration plotted against time, for example.

Video:

The camera has 130 degree angle of view. Not as wide as GoPro’s 170 degrees, but good nevertheless.

There are few video modes available:

* FullHD/30 – 1920×1080, 30 fps – approx. 9 minutes of video per 1Gb (source: manual)
* HD/60 – 1280×720, 60 fps – approx. 10 minutes of video per 1Gb
* HD/30 – 1280×720, 30 fps – approx 15 minutes of video per 1 Gb
* WVGA – 848×480, 60 fps – approx 15 minutes of video per 1 Gb

These settings can be permuted with Fine, Good and Normal quality levels.

Adjustments can be made to Exposure, White Balance, Contrast and Sharpness.

Duration can also be set to 15, 30 seconds, 1, 2, 5, 10 minutes to stop the recording.
Pictures:

Picture quality can be adjusted:

Resolution: 3 or 5 Megapixel

Quality: Fine, Good, Normal

Adjustments match those for the video mode, and there is a night mode available, which boosts exposure.

There are some neat features for taking pictures periodically: you can set 3 or 5 continuous shots with interval of 10, 20, 30 seconds and 1, 2, 5, and 10 minutes. There is also a timer for 5 or 3 seconds.
Sound:

The microphone sensitivity can be adjusted between Maximum and Medium. No inputs for external microphones on this camera, but i’m guessing that’s the price of having a waterproof camera. Overall, the sound is good, however there is one problem I have noticed – when mounted on the handlebar of my Yamaha FZ6 using the included handlebar mount, there is an extremely loud high-pitch noise that appears during acceleration above 8-10 mph (warning: loud noise):
[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qw7v_OKEXNQ&feature=player_detailpage]YouTube - ATC9K Handlebar Mount Noise (WARNING: Loud)[/ame]

Originally, I suspected wind noise (some sort of a turbulence, given the location of the the mount vs location of the microphone, but I noticed an interesting thing – the noise goes away during the deceleration , even if the speeds are significantly higher than 8-10 mph threshold. I decided to see if the sound would be there if I mounted the camera elsewhere:
ATC_helmet.jpg

There is still strong wind noise, but the high-frequency sound is gone. Also, you can see how shaky the mount is.

[ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-GcBYe0Qoe0&feature=player_detailpage]YouTube - Helmet Mounted ATC9K[/ame]

After mounting the camera on my helmet, and NOT hearing the same noise, I can only conclude that the noise comes from the frame/mount combination. I sent a letter to Oregon Scientific Customer Service to see what they have to say. I am going to have to look into dampened camera mounts, I guess. Additionally, you can see that the narrow view angle does not work well with the handlebar mount.

As far as wind noise, I think it can be fixed with something along these lines:
ATC_muffler.jpg
 

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Software:

The software that comes with the camera causes mixed feelings. On one hand it’s an interesting piece combining the video window with Google Maps, and acceleration,speed, distance charts and averages. Really good idea, but poorly implemented from the UI standpoint. The main window cannot be resized, nor can the components be adjusted. What if i don’t want to see my library all the time, but want to see a bigger video instead? I’m out of luck. Also, try to find the button that downloads the content form the camera! It took me few minutes of clicking and listening to “Exclamation” sound (see below). Response is somewhat slow, and highlighting of the buttons (available vs unavailable) is inconsistent. Every time you press a mouse button, Exclamation sound plays. Cute, but becomes annoying after about 1 minute, especially if you are trying to re-play something, or clicking around trying to find the needed function. Not very well thought through interface, Oregon Scientific, AND it doesn’t run on systems other than Windows. Another feature I don’t get is the “login” feature – why should I log in, even though, as far as i can tell the videos and pictures are readily available in the Documents folder.
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The biggest flaw:

The mounts. I guess I got spoiled by GoPro “mount to anything” collection of mounting options. This camera is ok for a bicycle, perhaps, but the mounts are VERY flimsy.Here is how I mounted the camera onto the handlebar – this is the mount that caused the high-pitch noise.
ATC_mount1.jpg

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(note the latest nano-technology modification to ensure that camera stays still)
ATC_mount3.jpg


I wouldn’t take this camera/mount combination to a DH worrying the plastic would just snap. I remember mounting GoPro on the swingarm of my bike, for interesting video angle, and I will need to work out some sort of my own mount to do that with ATC9K.

Now, given the issue with the sound, I will have to look into dampened mounts, which will cost extra $$$. And I’m certainly NOT entrusting this piece of electronics to this little piece of plastic to hold my camera on my motorcycle:
ATC_bottom.jpg


Conclusion:

In my dilettante opinion, this is a good camera for recording action, with some very useful features, such as waterproofing, remote control, integrated LCD, G-force recording, optional GPS unit. The video quality may not be the best, but it is at least very good compared to others. The sound is decent. The weak spot of this camera is the mounts that come with it – not enough of them and the ones that are there are not strong enough for hardcore applications. This camera would be great helmet camera for motorsports, DH biking, sky-diving, but the mounts are not up to par. Software gets another negative comment – it is something that looks like a good idea, but has confusing and not intuitive interface. Overall, I am keeping this camera, but will have to invest money and time into making my own mounts.
 

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Thanks for the very informative review. I too had the same problem with high frequency vibs when mounted to the handle bar and just like your video it caused some waviness and distortion in the picture. But overall very good results:thumbup:

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Amazon has them--
[ame=http://www.amazon.com/Oregon-Scientific-ATC-9K-Definition/dp/B004BDOLJI/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1301880793&sr=8-1]Amazon.com: Oregon Scientific ATC 9K Full 1080P High Definition Water Resistant Action Camera with G Force Sensor and 1.5-Inch Color LCD Screen (Yellow): Camera & Photo[/ame]
 

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Great review Smersh, thanks! :thumbup:

I have an earlier Oregon Scientific video camera, and I'm very glad to see they fixed the pushbuttons. On mine all the controls are under one square of rubber, and just to turn the damn thing on requires a hard, just-so fingernail press in just the right spot. I found a Sanyo soon after on a clearance price and have been using that ever since.
 

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Hi Smersh,
Great write up. Very informative.
Is that the (master) red key I see you using in the helmet mount vid?
And please dont tell me that was you riding to work. :eek: (Jealous!)
 

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Hi Smersh,
Great write up. Very informative.
Is that the (master) red key I see you using in the helmet mount vid?
And please dont tell me that was you riding to work. :eek: (Jealous!)

Thanks! That's Givi sidecase key. I need to get single key for my top case and sidecases, but haven't gotten around to it.
The ride was yesterday around my house, as i was writing up the review (did it three times, as i was trying to get rid of the noise). We had one of the first decent days, but i'm a little sick, so decided not to push it. I did go for a nice 3 hour ride on Sat morning though:rockon:
My ride to work usually takes place at 5 am in the morning from my house to the train station, and then back around 9 pm (total of 4 miles, with 2 miles on I-95 "oh, so beautiful NOT" highway).
 
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Nice review Smersh! I have an earlier nonHD version of this camera and it looks like the mounts have not changed for this new version at all - they are just as rubbish. Also had the same sound problems.

Some good places I found to mount the camera were from the rear grab handle (facing forwards or backwards), using the handlebar mount, and also using the 'helmet' mount but attaching it with zip ties to one of the radiator guards (an idea I got from this forum a few years ago!). I would always be worried about it flying off though so tried to give it some kind of safety back up like an extra zip tie attached to something else.
 

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Some good places I found to mount the camera were from the rear grab handle (facing forwards or backwards), using the handlebar mount, and also using the 'helmet' mount but attaching it with zip ties to one of the radiator guards (an idea I got from this forum a few years ago!). I would always be worried about it flying off though so tried to give it some kind of safety back up like an extra zip tie attached to something else.

Thanks for the pointers, I'll have to try them! did it give you the same sound problem when mounted on the handles?
 

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Thanks for the pointers, I'll have to try them! did it give you the same sound problem when mounted on the handles?

Yes, a little different to your high pitched squeal, mine was more like a very loud buzz, like a bunch of hornets in a tin can. Really horrible! But even in other places you just get the wind noise anyway. I remember someone on here recommended sticking a bit of tape over the mic but I never tried it. Your foam idea looks good though.
 

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Yes, a little different to your high pitched squeal, mine was more like a very loud buzz, like a bunch of hornets in a tin can. Really horrible! But even in other places you just get the wind noise anyway. I remember someone on here recommended sticking a bit of tape over the mic but I never tried it. Your foam idea looks good though.

HA! I tried both - first the foam and then the tape over microphone - no luck (at least not on the handlebar). The sounds goes lower in pitch, but it's still there and still overpowering. I am curious about dampened mount for the tank (need to move the camera back anyways - i'm not interested in looking at my speedometer all the time), as for others, i'm thinking, maybe buy up GoPro mounts and see if i can hack 'em.
 

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Great review, thanks! Yep, the mounts are identical to the earlier models (I have the ATC5k). I tried several mounting places too, and found the handlebars to be unacceptable. The two solid places I've found are 1) on a gas tank filler cap mount, and 2) using the velcro strap around the frame on the right side. Had to go to flush mount turn signals though, as the stock ones are in the way on the frame mount location.

Here's video on the tank mount:
http://www.600riders.com/forum/im-going-ride-you-comin/32505-norcal-ride-see-socal-gang-8-20-8-22-a-8.html#post349699

Here's video I took with it on the frame mount:
http://www.600riders.com/forum/touring-traveling/33901-chemikers-2010-yosemite-trip.html#post355764
 

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Battery Life

Yesterday, after getting my Class 4 16Gb microSD card in the mail, I finally had a chance to test the battery life of the camera. My result is about 2 hours 50 minutes continuously shooting HD/30 video with GPS unit activated. During this time, my position was mostly stationary with clear view of the sky, so it's possible that the battery would have drained faster if GPS signal was interrupted from time to time. I periodically pressed the video button to bring the screen to life and see if it's still recording (I've set the privacy mode to be my default - possibly another factor, though given how efficient LEDs are, I doubt it)

Memory Use

During the test, the camera wrote three video files - 2 files 3.8 Gb each and 1 file 2.7 Gb with the larger files being approximately 1 hour 04 minutes long and the smaller file being approximately 40 minutes long.

Motorcycle Noise Issue

As I mentioned in the main review, I experienced an issue with a high-pitch noise appearing during the acceleration when mounted on the handlebar using the provided handlebar mount. Trying to alleviate the problem, I've replaced the rubber fitting that sits between the mount and the handlebar with special sorbothane, hoping that the vibrations would be absorbed. Unfortunately, the sorbothane fitting did not help much - it "delays" the appearance of the noise, but does not eliminate it - so, the quest for mounting camera on the motorcycle continues.
 

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Too bad no one else has experience with Oregon Sci cameras and could help you out with what they have found to work...
Actually, I really liked your suggestions and tried them - I'm just trying to come up with something similar to Bags Connection dampened mount that goes onto gascap ring and was testing Sorbothane - looks like it may not be the solution I need.
Being the usual me, I want a lot: dampened mount, ability to mount my big camera (Canon 7D) onto it as well, and have more solid camera harness (the thing that hugs the camera and has tripod mount on it), so am not afraid to expose it to the wind. I am thinking of replicating that harness using aluminum - the only problem is where to machine it. And if i find a place to machine it, i can come up with my own mount with dampening as well.
 

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You may not have noticed my post about the small CNC mill that I have:D So just send a sketch and I can probably make you just what your after:thumbup:
I'll keep the cost much lower than a real machine shop would charge and I'm familiar with camera mounts as I've experimented with various styles myself.
And FedEx ground is not that expensive:D

Jerry

PS-I also have a manual mill(Bridgeport copy) and an 11" lathe in the shop so any turning or items to large for the CNC can be produced as well.
 
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