sxty8goats
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I have scorpions, no pc and it runs great. I'm about to put in a k&n and after reading maybe I shouldn't. I don't want to add a pc just for an air filter.
I have a PCIII for sale.
I have scorpions, no pc and it runs great. I'm about to put in a k&n and after reading maybe I shouldn't. I don't want to add a pc just for an air filter.
I have a PCIII for sale.
Do you have an aftermarket exhaust? Because all the issues you listed were solved by an exhaust on my red bike. That is one of the things that got me thinking about removing the PCIII from Blue bike to try to improve the mileage on that one.
I plan on buying a set of scorpions shortly but there's no way just changing the cans would have fixed my issues. The on / off throttle was terrible before the PCV.
I plan on proving this by fitting a switch to the PCV that allows instant switching between two maps. So when I get the cans I can switch between stock and modded maps while riding to test the difference :rockon:
I used to have a real issue with it but I learned to ride in a slightly higher RPM range. So it is never 'off' unless I'm at a stop sign.
When I'm coming into a corner I let the throttle off change down gears while breaking into a suitable gear that I can then start to accelerate around and out of the corner in the powerband.
How are you able to brake without letting the throttle off
It is going from braking into a corner to accelerating around it I felt it wasn't smooth enough.
Ps. Sorry if I've taken this thread the wrong direction.
I like to keep the bike above 3k. So coming into a corner I typically down shift which kicks the revs up and then start (or rather continue) my deceleration by applying breaks. I don't need to completely close the throttle to slow down.
If you are traveling 20MPH you would choose a gear that allowed you to travel 20MPH at 3,000 RPM. Say it is 2nd gear, which might be true.
So you are now traveling 45 MPH and approaching a corner that you expect to apex at 20 MPH. Down shift to second as you approach and you never have to completely close the throttle. It is very likely that you could simply down shift one more gear than you are used to doing before you enter the corner and you will be where I'm at. The bike winds up to 14,000 RPM. Most folk ride below 4,000 RPM. There is no harm in down shifting if you have 10,000 RPM to spare to the red line. And there is @ 1000 RPM difference between the gears.
I find that when I come to a stop I'm still holding the throttle slightly open, @ 2000 RPM worth. But the clutch is in at that point. When I release the throttle the bike drops to idle. This is pretty consistent between the two bikes, even though their throttles are adjusted slightly differently. Red bike has almost no 'slop' in the closed position, blue bike can be twisted 1/4" or so before it opens the throttle.
Thank you for explaining your method of trying to constantly keep the engine in a loaded state.
Would you consider riding this way to be normal? Has the throttle response of the FZ6 caused you to adopt these practices?
Any riding school I have attended for either on or off the road would not teach this approach.
Actually, yes. In the sense that it is the normal way I ride this bike. Every machine has individual characteristics that you have to learn and adapt to. Motorcycles especially so, as they are very intimate machines in the sense that they are part of you as you ride them. Every action is controlled by you in a way that is very immediate and connected way. So your bike becomes part of you, you learn the little idiosyncrasies of the bike and adapt to them.Would you consider riding this way to be normal?
YepHas the throttle response of the FZ6 caused you to adopt these practices?
Man, where was this thread 6 months ago? With PCIII and stock map, 15T front sprocket I'm getting as low as 29mpg (8+ l/100km). Now I do like the upper RPM range but 29mpg on a stock 600?! I doubt the original R1 would drink that much and no amount of tuning will bring the FZ6 anywhere near that.
Yes, I like the throttle fix, but if it's true - the fuel penalty is too much. I'll try the zero map after filling up my next tank.
Somewhere earlier in this thread somebody said that they had run the zero map and it still had poor fuel econ.
So if you get good results from the zero map, please post the results here. I'm curious to see if there is any benefit to it. Mine came out just fine but could go back in just as easy if there is reason.
I realize this thread is about Scorpions, but I'm kicking around the idea of Leo's someday. Well, anytime I kick this around with a few buds, I always hear... "You HAVE to get a PC if you're going to replace your exhaust to get the most out of your new exhaust!" Well... Do you? From what I'm reading, it sounds like I'm better off just rolling with the new cans and be done with it. Yeah, doing it the "right way" on a Dyno with a PC may actually get you to tip-top performance, but at the cost of milage? I love the bike, I REALLY do, but at the end of the day, it's still a FZ6... There's only so far you can take it short of replacing the engine, right?
I realize this thread is about Scorpions, but I'm kicking around the idea of Leo's someday. Well, anytime I kick this around with a few buds, I always hear... "You HAVE to get a PC if you're going to replace your exhaust to get the most out of your new exhaust!" Well... Do you? From what I'm reading, it sounds like I'm better off just rolling with the new cans and be done with it. Yeah, doing it the "right way" on a Dyno with a PC may actually get you to tip-top performance, but at the cost of milage? I love the bike, I REALLY do, but at the end of the day, it's still a FZ6... There's only so far you can take it short of replacing the engine, right?
I read through this thread and cringed a bit - but then again, a lot of what was said is true.
For someone who wants to get the best mileage out of their bike, a power commander doesn't do much for them.
I have a custom exhaust and the power commander - mine is set on the de-catted Leo Vince setting (closest to what I have) - and I notice the difference. I also waste a lot of gas. But you know, I have the bike for fun, for enjoyment, and it's already almost twice as good on gas as my car so it all looks good to me.
I know I'm wasting gas because I get the wonderful rumbling pops when I downshift, signifying that unburnt gas is exiting the cylinders and exploding in my header. I also know I'm also using more gas than stock when I get on the throttle - because it responds better. I'm okay with this. I'm not Casey Stoner - I'm just a guy who likes engines, going fast and getting my hands dirty, and I can easily notice the difference between two maps on my PCIII - if you're worried about getting the most mileage out of your bike, you could always put negative numbers into your map, making your FZ sound and run like a Ninja 250 - but remember - you bought an FZ.