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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    Quick update....
    I performed Final impacts trigger wheel modification. Following his guide and measurements I advanced 5°. I also has some time to fabricate a muffler bracket. Made from 2mm stainless steel. Will have it powder coated black along with a few other brackets.

    Next on the list is a new chain and set of tyres then she's ready to rumble.







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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    I'm surprised you still have the OEM brake lines on there...

    Do you prefer the stock lines?


    Also, what make are the ft caliper "safety wire" doo dad's? They look re-usable...

    The lower part of the exhaust, is the bolt that mounts to the frame intentionally missing?
    I'd be concerned of cracking with only two mounting points (head and new custom bracket).
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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    The front lines are venhill braided. Rear is oem.
    The lock wire is nothing special, you can make them yourself, stainless lock wire inside of clear rubber tubing with an R clip on each end.
    The missing lower mount in not intentional, I plan on using the fz6 mount with the rubber bush but it needs some modifying to make it fit.
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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    Howdy....
    So why does opening in the modified trigger wheel seem so huge?

    Does it fit in these constraints?

    Quote Originally Posted by FinalImpact View Post
    How I calculated amount to file off locator Tab:

    The OD of the trigger wheel is 2.475" (outer edge of humps)
    Dia (inches) * Pie/360 = In/per degree
    2.4750" * 3.14159 = circumference/360 = 0.021597" per degree (OUTSIDE EDGE).

    To advance 5.0° from its original location the outside must advance:
    0.021597"/deg * 4.0 degrees = 4.0 deg = 0.0863"
    0.021597"/deg * 5.0 degrees = 5.0 deg = 0.1079"
    ^^ YOU NEED TO KNOW THIS TO VERIFY YOUR WORK! ^^ i.e. set the finished trigger on the crank (hold with bolt). Rotate CCW and measure to the engine case forming a 90°. Right down value. Rotate fully CW and measure to the case forming the same 90° angle. A dial indicator is best, but veneer calipers will work. The value should match your calculations above.

    Calculate how much to file off the Tab:
    To determine amount to remove from the Tab I broke it into 3 sections; the hole (ID1), the Slot (ID2) and the Tab (ID3) to determine the diameter to solve for. This is because we have no actual center or I'd to solve for the radius.

    ID1 = 0.6305" dia HOLE } measure hole w/calipers "direct"
    ID2 = 0.1050" X 2 SLOT } Total distance across open hole MINUS ID1. Multiply this by 2. "indirect"
    ID3 = 0.1955" X 1 TAB } measure length of Tab "direct"
    =======================
    Dia = 1.036" to the center of the Tab and an equal distance opposite.
    Meaning, it matters which section of the Tab we solve for, inner, middle or outer edge AND we are solving for a circle or the diameter ~ the red lines.
    Attachment 65180


    Apply formula:
    1.036" * 3.1415/360° = 0.0090"

    4.0° * 0.0090"/deg = 0.036"
    4.5° * 0.0090"/deg = 0.040"
    5.0° * 0.0090"/deg = 0.045"
    6.0° * 0.0090"/deg = 0.054

    NOTE: the OEM Locator Tab is 0.0197" wide uncut. File the leading edge to obtain final thickness.
    4 deg adv: 0.197" - 0.036" = 0.161" final width 5 deg adv: 0.197" - 0.045" = 0.152" final width!

    There ya go. Use a dial indicator to verify amount rotated. Weld up the unused portion once you meet your desired amount of rotation.
    Measure OFTEN, REMOVE LITTLE and VERIFY amount of rotation!

    ** THIS IS A GUIDE ONLY! ** Results will vary!

    Good luck!
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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    Hi Randy, which opening are you referring to?

    Wheel modified as bellow using the specs you listed unless I've misinterpreted something.



    Locating nub was measured before modifying and matched your measurement of ''0.197" wide uncut'' The leading edge of the nub was filed until I measured a final thickness of 0.150''. The amount rotated was verified and also matched up with your measurement of 0.1079"

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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    That all sounds correct.

    NOTE: the OEM Locator Tab is 0.0197" wide uncut. File the leading edge to obtain final thickness.
    5 deg adv: 0.197" - 0.045" = 0.152" final width!


    So when you had the trigger wheel on the crank its rotation amount matched the tab removal amount than you should be good. I think mine is at 6.5° and it hurts the idle quality but it pulls real well. Be sure to tun the colder plugs too. CR10E

    Im looking forward to your impression.
    What were the final cam degree values?
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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    Thanks Randy, CR10E plugs were installed while putting the engine back together. Final cam values were 105/105 as recommended by my tuner for this engine.

    First track day is February 2018 at a brand new track opening in western Sydney. I may take the bike on the 1/4 before then for a quick shake down.

    Also looking at headlight options, I want to put this bike on the road next year. Would mean installing all lights, horn, side stand, mirrors etc.

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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    This is the update we've all been waiting for. Dyno session done. Custom map created. Results are very positive.

    Lets cut to the chase....after tuning, the bike made 106 hp at the wheel.
    A whopping 16 wheel hp over a stock FZ6. The tuner mentioned he usually see's this power figure from a 2003-2005 R6. That's great news, we're making R6 power now..... And to further put things in contrast, an FZ6 with an exhaust and custom map will typically make 94-96hp at the wheel.

    I haven't had a chance to ride the bike yet......I did take it to Sydney dragway last month prior to getting the tune done. It had a massive flat spot down low around 4,000 rpm. It would break up under wide open throttle. If you cruised past this point under light throttle then opened the throttle wide it revved clean and nice all the way to red line. Power wise it just felt like it had more power everywhere. With the fz6 cams I remember having to wait until around 9,000rpm before anything exciting started to happen...then i also remember it tapered off towards redline, now there is no waiting, it pulls everywhere and keeps pulling all the way to the limiter. I'm very very keen to try the bike out now with the custom map. I'll probably head back to Sydney dragway next week.

    Here's a quick video. Sorry that I couldn't get any closer.




    The baseline run before tuning, it still made 103whp, this was with a generic pc3 map from the powercommander website. But you can see the massive dip in the torque around 4,000rpm. The tuner spent around 3 hours building the custom map.


    And here is my final run layed against a map from a tuned FZ6 CUP bike, running standard cams.


    And finally here is a run showing my bike going through the gears. Making over 100whp in first gear and it only gets better after that.


    Peek torque is pretty similar to the tuned FZ6. The power and torque difference between 9,000-14,000 is really where it all happens..... May not be so important on the street but on a race track this is where you spend most of your time.
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    Re: R6 Cams, Head gasket, headers, here we go

    That is a nice smooth, and flat, torque curve.
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    SWEET!!!!!! Man I am happy for you! Good to see that curve flatten out from the map alone!

    Very impressive!! Have you had a chance for a good 3rd gear pull? Its where they actually added some ignition advance. If it had it in 1st and 2nd, it would be way better!

    Be safe!
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