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    Re: Final Impact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    On the topic of mods and keeping the bike reliable, throw a ZIPTIE around the caps boot to reduce the strain and keep the vibes from loosening the connection at the wires core to the caps threaded conductor.

    See this thread for details.... CLICK IMAGE!!!


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    Re: Final Imppact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    I'm getting ready to park the bike for the winter but I wanted to say this is a value added mod and to CAUTION THOSE RUNNING STOCK CR9EK plugs.

    To get the most from it and reduce the risk of damage to the bike I would suggest anyone doing this to either A) run the CR9E plug or B) if you run the bike hard, toss in the CR10E OR C) run the CR9EIX. You just don't need the whole plug sticking in the combustion chamber like the stock plug does.

    The CR10E (6264) is a colder plug (NGK = higher ## = COLDER HEAT RANGE). I've been running it for the last 2000 miles and they stay clean and seem to reduce detonation on take off from steep hills. So, for how I ride and the little tweaks I've done this is a good match. If someone really wants to look harder they could say the none "K" plugs reduce the C/R slightly and this is true. It is also true of the precious metal plugs...

    Compare the nose for exposed area of a stock EK vs E plug:

    CR9EK: lots of bare electrode to stay hot in the combustion chamber:
    Attachment 55515

    CR9E: much less in the chamber
    Attachment 55516

    CR9EIX:
    Attachment 55517

    CR10's look basically the same but are colder than the 9's.

    ***********************
    Some NGK PN's
    ***********************

    CR9EK, 4548, As Sold Gap: 0.032"
    CR9E, 6263, As Sold Gap: 0.028"
    CR10E, 6264, As Sold Gap: 0.028"
    CR9EIX, 3521, As Sold Gap:.028" (So it says)...
    CR10EIX, 6482, As Sold Gap:.028"
    ***********************

    • For Champion, Autolite and Bosch, the higher the number, the hotter the plug.
    • For NGK, Denso and Pulstar, the higher the number, the colder the plug.
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    Re: Final Imppact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by FinalImpact View Post
    I'm getting ready to park the bike for the winter but I wanted to say this is a value added mod and to CAUTION THOSE RUNNING STOCK CR9EK plugs.

    To get the most from it and reduce the risk of damage to the bike I would suggest anyone doing this to either A) run the CR9E plug or B) if you run the bike hard, toss in the CR10E OR C) run the CR9EIX. You just don't need the whole plug sticking in the combustion chamber like the stock plug does.

    The CR10E (6264) is a colder plug (NGK = higher ## = COLDER HEAT RANGE). I've been running it for the last 2000 miles and they stay clean and seem to reduce detonation on take off from steep hills. So, for how I ride and the little tweaks I've done this is a good match. If someone really wants to look harder they could say the none "K" plugs reduce the C/R slightly and this is true. It is also true of the precious metal plugs...

    Compare the nose for exposed area of a stock EK vs E plug:

    CR9EK: lots of bare electrode to stay hot in the combustion chamber:
    Attachment 55515

    CR9E: much less in the chamber
    Attachment 55516

    CR9EIX:
    Attachment 55517

    CR10's look basically the same but are colder than the 9's.

    ***********************
    Some NGK PN's
    ***********************

    CR9EK, 4548, As Sold Gap: 0.032"
    CR9E, 6263, As Sold Gap: 0.028"
    CR10E, 6264, As Sold Gap: 0.028"
    CR9EIX, 3521, As Sold Gap:.028" (So it says)...
    CR10EIX, 6482, As Sold Gap:.028"
    ***********************

    • For Champion, Autolite and Bosch, the higher the number, the hotter the plug.
    • For NGK, Denso and Pulstar, the higher the number, the colder the plug.
    Thanks for the info! I've got CR9EIX plugs waiting at home for the next riding season (and hopefully a timing advance as well!).
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    Re: Final Impact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    Exhaust tone after Ignition Advance and De-Cat. Same 2Bro Exhaust, same recording device... Crisis on her way to hibernation/winter rest

    SoundCloud MP3 Audio 2014-11

    From 2013 --> Two Bro Sound Clip (mp3) from FZ6

    Next step - see if ECU unleashed will drop the Group Package price or give out specific details about what they're doing...
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    Re: Final Imppact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    Quick question. You have mentioned pinging during various starts on hills and such. Is that a result of low quality gas, or does this occur often? I'm very interested in advancing my timing this winter, but I want to go for reliability and minimize adverse effects like pinging. Do you think 3-4 would be a fair compromise between stock timing and too much advance?
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    Re: Final Imppact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    I'd say that's fair (4). Its the result of high load and low RPM ON a HOT engine. Even stock i could induce it during takeoff under some situations and I run brand name gas always. Now its Plus grade 89/90 octane and Super 92/93 when its >85F as the air box gets heat soaked so easy.. perhaps its time for some insulation!

    More than anything I like to tinker so its something to do!

    That said, If you're fuel controller allows for temperature compensation you should be golden.
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    Re: Final Imppact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by FinalImpact View Post
    I'd say that's fair (4). Its the result of high load and low RPM ON a HOT engine. Even stock i could induce it during takeoff under some situations and I run brand name gas always. Now its Plus grade 89/90 octane and Super 92/93 when its >85F as the air box gets heat soaked so easy.. perhaps its time for some insulation!

    More than anything I like to tinker so its something to do! Final Impact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    That said, If you're fuel controller allows for temperature compensation you should be golden.
    Awesome. I use 91/93 always (I'm a fan of Mobile and Shell). I've never had any issues with the bike stock so hopefully I don't run into any after a small advance. When I've got the bike apart this winter, I might put some insulation on the airbox. I've used aluminum-backed air duct insulation for cold temperatures before, but I imagine it will also work for higher temperature settings.
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    Re: Final Impact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    Been a while since I checked this thread. Lots of great info, thank you for taking the time to post your results. I will most definitely be doing this mod. We have 98 octane pump fuel here in Aus, so happy days. My bike will need a power commander and custom tuning to suit the cam upgrade. Will be nice to see the power gains. I'm taking the bike to get a baseline power run next week.

    EDIT: Big mod session starting in about 2 weeks time.
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    Re: Final Imppact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by FinalImpact View Post
    Its the result of high load and low RPM ON a HOT engine. Even stock i could induce it during takeoff under some situations and I run brand name gas always. Now its Plus grade 89/90 octane and Super 92/93 when its >85F as the air box gets heat soaked so easy.. perhaps its time for some insulation!
    Just read this and am very surprised...

    I run name brand Regular grade fuel. A good part of the year its very warm(hot) and humid down here.

    My bike has NEVER had ANY detonation, even hot.

    I can shift into 6th at 3,000 RPM (even as low as 2K) nail it, and the bike will simply pull/ accelerate, without issue/complaints, very smooth actually..

    I do run RingFree occasionally (in ALL my machines). Perhaps, that's keeping any excess carbon out and the compression to where it should be.

    The bottle is expensive however, its mixed at 10 gallons to 1 oz... Well worth the investment IMO. Might be worth a try...
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    Re: Final Impact Winter project; playing w/trigger

    Quote Originally Posted by TownsendsFJR1300 View Post
    Just read this and am very surprised...

    I run name brand Regular grade fuel. A good part of the year its very warm(hot) and humid down here.
    I don't think you'll find some carbon layer in this engine... No way.

    I suspect most of it is how I ride. I add little throttle during take off, barely raising it off idle during clutch engagement. I only slip it when there's a need for it.

    Key point; Details matter and the required maintenance just made it that much smoother. The only vibes I feel are the tires on the road and what I found amazing was that after the valve lash adjustment, not only is another layer of vibes gone, but it also helped the throttle chop and throttle response. Both are improved upon. Also note that backfire pops are reduced and it sounds less raspy in person.

    I do have to admit that the CO adjustment is too much at idle as I can't lean it out enough and to keep the RPM at 1100 w/out a little variation as its simply too rich.
    - TB sync screws (X4) are backed out nearly as far as they go.
    - Main idle speed screw effective range is 1000 to 1100, cause its idling off the IACV sync settings.
    - Plus its still running rich, hence the uneven idle.
    - The perk is that it pulls off the line and has damn good throttle response!
    - Take note how crisp and smooth it sounds. Its just better....

    I'm happy, although I still want more torque!

    Some audio samples via MP3... Notice Tick is gone from valve adjust.
    0:00 - 1:30 = warm start and warm up - no tick!
    3:15 = pull from 4500 to 12K ** Throttle response **is the best its ever been!
    4:00 = hail storm trashes road! Cruise till parked.
    7:10 - foot slipped, double clutch
    7:20 = Walk around - tick is gone!
    CLICK --> Soundcloud MP3 After Valve Adj

    Bottom line: these engines CAN be very smooth and vibration free!!!
    For all the tickers out there, adjust your valves - not CCT.
    Fix the plug caps
    General tune up
    - Advance timing, add fuel, and maybe that test pipe.
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