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    Re: Headlights And understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by domination2727 View Post
    Well I just read through the recent posts and I think I understand this a lot better now. Thank you everyone that has commented and provided information! You guys are awesome!!
    glad it helps. A better understanding of something really helps open a persons eyes to new possibility’s I do a lot of custom work on my own stuff and I always try to help explain the unexplained. It also pays to find a place like this that has so many good knowledgeable people around.

    And I thank every one of them for all the help they give.

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    Re: Headlights And understanding.

    Updates!! Glorious Updates!!

    So got the reply.. "your head light is out" then a minute of awkward explanation after words ...

    So here is the update on my head lights and yes i did the conversation and it worked good.

    Step 1. Unplug head lights and drop the plug below front cowling for easy view.

    Step 2. Open back of plug to expose wire plugs. *The wire with the green strip is positive on the high beam side and yellow strip is positive low beam side*

    Step 3. Pull out power wire on both sides removing it plug piece and all. *wiggling it or using a tiny screw driver in the end that plugs in in the tiny hole helps*

    Step 4. Open the plug where it holds the wire casing and remove wire from the Cables on both sides. and re pinch to form a new loop.

    Step 5. Pinch a spare piece of wire of equal or better gauging in its place. should look like something in the picture
    Headlights And understanding.-headlight-detailed-jpgHeadlights And understanding.-wire-discription-jpg
    Step 6. Find a plug end simalure to the socket used. **only ones i had on hand were smaller so i spread the clip end to fit** And crimp it on.

    Step 7. Place the low beam sides original wire into the middle slot and the spliced wire from the highbeam side into the now empty port.

    Step 8. High Beam side simply place the low beams splice into the empty middle socket. then close the backing and your done this part. picture shows wires and where they go.
    Headlights And understanding.-wires-description-jpg
    **Optional** Use some electrical tape to tidy up the wires.

    Bulb replacement. Low beam side.

    Step 1. Buy a h4 bulb led if you can and get one with a plastic bracket you can easily modify.

    Step 2. Modify the socket to match the h7 bulb socket with a dremal or simalure tool.

    Step 3. Install bulb **you may need to create a spacer so the bulb it pressed in flush.**

    Step 4. Plug the now modified plugs onto the bulbs and completed.

    You now have a dual low beam high beam head light system on both sides. Adjust your reflector as needed. it likely will be needed.

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    Please note that your color code for the high and low beam may be reversed. Your error may just be a typo and you have the configuration correct, The high beam is black with a yellow tracer. The low beam is black with a green tracer. If your wires are reversed and you have not modified the low beam filament to shut off when the high beam is active you will certainly have issues. Reversing the wires means you are now running 2, 65 watt filaments as low beams and the light will be reflected by the reflector upwards during the low beam operation. When you hit the high beam you add 55 watts per lamp and now will be running 120 watts per lamp. That's a total of 240 watts or 20 amperes through you headlamp relay and fused network. You should only be running 65 watts per lamp at the most. 120 watts per lamp will overheat and cause quick failure of the lamp and possibly the socket.

    To summarize: Even if you have the Hi and Lo beam correct you need to modify the low beam filament to turn off during hi beam operation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Motogiro View Post
    Please note that your color code for the high and low beam may be reversed. Your error may just be a typo and you have the configuration correct, The high beam is black with a yellow tracer. The low beam is black with a green tracer. If your wires are reversed and you have not modified the low beam filament to shut off when the high beam is active you will certainly have issues. Reversing the wires means you are now running 2, 65 watt filaments as low beams and the light will be reflected by the reflector upwards during the low beam operation. When you hit the high beam you add 55 watts per lamp and now will be running 120 watts per lamp. That's a total of 240 watts or 20 amperes through you headlamp relay and fused network. You should only be running 65 watts per lamp at the most. 120 watts per lamp will overheat and cause quick failure of the lamp and possibly the socket.

    To summarize: Even if you have the Hi and Lo beam correct you need to modify the low beam filament to turn off during hi beam operation.
    I think this only applies if your running hologens the leds run at a much lower wattage. So should be ok ill go back and check the wattages my bulbs only run 30 watts per bulb using led lights. Ill check the out puts tommorow with my volt meter but with the leds i am sure to be running half of that if not more.

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    I think this only applies if your running hologens the leds run at a much lower wattage. So should be ok ill go back and check the wattages my bulbs only run 30 watts per bulb using led lights. Ill check the out puts tommorow with my volt meter but with the leds i am sure to be running half of that if not more.
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    So oddly enough i noticed my low beam on the bulbs them selfs both sides actualy turns off during switching already must be the bulbs power system doing that when it had power to both connectors. I am ok with that. Ita hard to tell. I am in crunch mode right now so will be testing wattages and such in about a week from now. Over all i love it it works great

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    Re: Headlights And understanding.

    Quote Originally Posted by deathjam4 View Post
    So oddly enough i noticed my low beam on the bulbs them selfs both sides actualy turns off during switching already must be the bulbs power system doing that when it had power to both connectors. I am ok with that. Ita hard to tell. I am in crunch mode right now so will be testing wattages and such in about a week from now. Over all i love it it works great
    My LED's do the same automatic switching off the low beam when hi beam is active. Wanted to chime in earlier but I'm not sure all LED H4's have this auto switching baked in. Good luck!
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    I can tell you that mine did not switch. They also had a high fail rate. Maybe I'd be better off with the units you members are using?
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    perhaps maybe so :P I am still not sure what is going on with it but i been doing fanexpo here in canada so been to busy to look into it. I am pretty sure for some reason it shuts off the low beams on its own it may be the secondary bulb i purchased as it has a control box attached to the wire. Ill have a update by next week at the latest will be measuring wattage's and volts and amps with a hand full of different lights i ordered. I have a set of bulbs that have a halo ring on the end and the halo is using the low beam for power. I noticed the halo ring dims drasticly when you change from low to high but does stay lit so Its likely the wattage simply switchs to a low enough voltage that it can't keep the low beam lit

    But as i said ill be testing all this next week and ill make a full write up on it.

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