Hello & Welcome to our community. Is this your first visit? Register

Thanks Thanks:  4
Likes Likes:  9
Dislikes Dislikes:  0
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast
Results 1 to 10 of 13
  1. #1
    trepetti (OP)
    It's all good! Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6? trepetti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Northern New Joizey
    Posts
    820
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    There is a well-respected tuning house near me in Congers NY that has had documented success in ECU tuning. Ivan's Performance Products (Ivan's Performance Products) has tunes available for many bikes, but not the FZ6. I spoke to the company today and they say the demand is not there to develop a tune for us.

    I'd like to see if I can generate some interest and present the opportunity to them. There a lot of FZ6s, and many of them are represented here on this forum.

    The MAIN thing I want to see is elimination of the closed-throttle injector cut off that causes the much complained about throttle snatch we all experience. I understand that the effort is large and costly, so some commitment on our part would be expected, like some up front deposits. The tune would be available to all of us either by riding in or mailing our ECU, so we are not restricted by where we are.

    I don't know what he would charge per tune, but I have to guess that it would be market competitive (300 ish?).

    Anyone interested should please respond here. I'll gather more information if we have enough interest for me to strike up a conversation with them. I offered my bike as a development mule, trying to make it easier for him to consider.

    Anybody want to join the effort?
    2005 FZ6 - R6 Forks, FZ1 bar, Killernoodle clutch lever, Puig windscreen, Woodcraft sliders, BD43 headlight mod, Watsen LED signals, 2-Wheels levers, SW Motec tank bag, Givi topcase, Galfer SS brake lines, LED pod lights, Hyperlites, Grip Puppies

  2. Thanks Motogiro thanked for this post
  3. #2
    Vrrroooooom! Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6? Motogiro's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    San Diego, Ca.
    Posts
    13,516
    Mentioned
    89 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    I get confused by the word tune. I know what is considered a reflash in many or most cases, unlocks restrictions in areas of the software that although not in accordance with EPA or emission restrictions, also can improve performance. Tuning can be a more complex fuel and ignition management dependent on other modifications which would require a load and specific monitoring of air to fuel ratio as related to power produced.

    If we look specifically at Power Commander they used to sell a street legal fuel controller that would not be remapped at specific RPM areas to keep fuel management more in line with required emission guidelines. Then there was a race model (more popular) that was meant only for track or off road use because it could be programmed/mapped to offer better power producing performance that was not within the guidelines for street legal vehicles.

    If you got enough people together to make a reflash economical for everyone would it be equivalent remapping power management for overall performance as the Power Commander does? One area of unlocking might also be RPM limits but does that benefit performance without fuel/ignition mapping and maybe different cams?
    Tuning is bike and mod specific.

    If we get enough interest, I'll donate even though I don't have the FZ6 anymore.
    If you can't fix it by hitting it with a hammer, it's electrical!

    Clif
    SoCal Hoon

  4. Thanks FinalImpact thanked for this post
  5. #3
    2007 FZ6 TownsendsFJR1300's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Cape Coral, Florida, USA
    Posts
    10,963
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    His ECU flash is VERY popular in the FJR world. Nothing but good to great things to say about it.
    ECU fuel cut off elimination, cruise control limit removal (2013 model), advance, etc...

    Hopefully you can open this thread without being a member, lots of hands on information:

    http://www.fjrforum.com/forum//index...ans-ecu-flash/

    Ivans FJR flash, what he can do, etc: Ivan's Performance Products
    Last edited by TownsendsFJR1300; 10-03-2018 at 02:40 PM.
    Scott
    2007 Yamaha FZ6- BD43 headlight mod, PIAA bulbs, Stebal air horn, Scorpion SS pipes-(no DB killers), Speedohealer, HEL SS brake lines, Fenda Extenda, K&P SS re-usable oil filter, custom mounted BMW style electrical outlet(L.S.), Techmount GPS mount with handlebar bar risers/set backs, additional helmet lock, custom mod'ed seat(Spencers), Hyper light-rear running/brake light, custom radiator/fan protector, Techspec tank pads, Grip Puppies, Yamaha rear rack with custom aluminum flat rack.

  6. Likes Motogiro, ShoopCE, FinalImpact liked this post
  7. #4
    2004 FZ6N gulfpete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Gympie, Queensland
    Posts
    55
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    Quote Originally Posted by trepetti View Post

    The MAIN thing I want to see is elimination of the closed-throttle injector cut off that causes the much complained about throttle snatch we all experience.
    I was thinking about this last year but never got time to do it. I think a box with some passive components taking a signal from an injector wire would tell when Fuel Cut Off was on, then output a voltage into the TPS would do it.

    It's not likely I'll have time for it soon though.
    Pete

    ***************************************
    If I can't fix it I'll fix it so no other bugger can
    ***************************************

  8. Likes Motogiro liked this post
  9. #5
    Vrrroooooom! Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6? Motogiro's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2008
    Location
    San Diego, Ca.
    Posts
    13,516
    Mentioned
    89 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    Quote Originally Posted by gulfpete View Post
    I was thinking about this last year but never got time to do it. I think a box with some passive components taking a signal from an injector wire would tell when Fuel Cut Off was on, then output a voltage into the TPS would do it.

    It's not likely I'll have time for it soon though.
    There is a fix for the Suzuki SV1000 that shows how to re-adjust the TPS so that it is set properly at idle so that the "throttle on", from a closed position. It actually uses the readout to set it properly.
    It makes me think that maybe US bikes (especially California) are set for passing emissions standards and this may be creating the harsher on - off response.
    The FZ6 does have a mode to see the TPS setting and maybe this can be changed to eliminate the zero fuel setting. This may be where fuel management devices alter fuel shutoff signal and eliminate the problem. This is where the SV is set differently to eliminate the same issue.
    If you can't fix it by hitting it with a hammer, it's electrical!

    Clif
    SoCal Hoon

  10. #6
    2004 FZ6N gulfpete's Avatar
    Join Date
    Apr 2017
    Location
    Gympie, Queensland
    Posts
    55
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    Would adjusting the TPS affect the AFR at all? If not it would be an easy fix for the only annoying thing on this bike.
    Pete

    ***************************************
    If I can't fix it I'll fix it so no other bugger can
    ***************************************

  11. Likes Motogiro liked this post
  12. #7
    Junior Member TKBone's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2018
    Location
    Österreich
    Posts
    18
    Mentioned
    0 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    Imho IT dies affect the AFR, modding the Airbox helped me. In fact I did it the other way... There is a Thread for this somewhere, Townsend?

  13. Likes Motogiro liked this post
  14. #8
    2007 FZ6 TownsendsFJR1300's Avatar
    Join Date
    Feb 2009
    Location
    Cape Coral, Florida, USA
    Posts
    10,963
    Mentioned
    47 Post(s)
    Tagged
    1 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    As Cliff posted, adjusting the TPS HIGHER (# wise), makes the computer think the throttle is MORE OPEN than it really is, thus adding slightly more fuel thru-out the range.

    My old '04 FJR was VERY lean (surging) below 3,000 RPM's. Per Mama Yamaha, they (the shop-still under warranty) bumped the upper 100 # a bit above 100. (It wasn't my issue-corrosion at an electrical plug the shop couldn't find was the issue).

    Opening up the air box obviously brings in more air, aftermarket (more flow) exhaust pipes do the same.

    You can only do so much W/O modding the ECU / fuel aftermarket add on. That's why you'll see issues (mostly lopy ((SP?)) idle) after removing cats, aftermarket pipes, K&N filter, etc. Your pumping way more air thru the engine than the ECU can keep up with.
    Last edited by TownsendsFJR1300; 10-05-2018 at 05:52 AM.
    Scott
    2007 Yamaha FZ6- BD43 headlight mod, PIAA bulbs, Stebal air horn, Scorpion SS pipes-(no DB killers), Speedohealer, HEL SS brake lines, Fenda Extenda, K&P SS re-usable oil filter, custom mounted BMW style electrical outlet(L.S.), Techmount GPS mount with handlebar bar risers/set backs, additional helmet lock, custom mod'ed seat(Spencers), Hyper light-rear running/brake light, custom radiator/fan protector, Techspec tank pads, Grip Puppies, Yamaha rear rack with custom aluminum flat rack.

  15. Likes Motogiro liked this post
  16. #9
    trepetti (OP)
    It's all good! Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6? trepetti's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2012
    Location
    Northern New Joizey
    Posts
    820
    Mentioned
    2 Post(s)
    Tagged
    2 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    Quote Originally Posted by Motogiro View Post
    I get confused by the word tune. I know what is considered a reflash in many or most cases, unlocks restrictions in areas of the software that although not in accordance with EPA or emission restrictions, also can improve performance. Tuning can be a more complex fuel and ignition management dependent on other modifications which would require a load and specific monitoring of air to fuel ratio as related to power produced.

    If we look specifically at Power Commander they used to sell a street legal fuel controller that would not be remapped at specific RPM areas to keep fuel management more in line with required emission guidelines. Then there was a race model (more popular) that was meant only for track or off road use because it could be programmed/mapped to offer better power producing performance that was not within the guidelines for street legal vehicles.

    If you got enough people together to make a reflash economical for everyone would it be equivalent remapping power management for overall performance as the Power Commander does? One area of unlocking might also be RPM limits but does that benefit performance without fuel/ignition mapping and maybe different cams?
    Tuning is bike and mod specific.

    If we get enough interest, I'll donate even though I don't have the FZ6 anymore.
    Thanks Cliff. I spent time immersed in the world of Subaru ECU modding, where we use the word 'tune' to signify changing parameters and 'Flash' as the act or writing those parameters to the ECU.

    Regarding my goals, I am aiming low. I would like to focus on 'un-fixing' things Yamaha did for reasons other than performance, like the ignition retard in lower gears and the dreaded fuel cut-off. Trying to tune the AFR wold be a career, considering the number of air filter / exhaust combos. Couple that with the S1 not having an O2 sensor to feed back and adjust, you end up with a a lot of maps.

    I believe that if we can change these ECU behaviors, we'll get 80% of a full custom tune. The final 20% should still be left to fuel controllers live the PCV.

    Thanks for your interest. I wish there was an open-source tool that we could use to do our own tuning, like the RomRaider tool I use for the Subaru.
    2005 FZ6 - R6 Forks, FZ1 bar, Killernoodle clutch lever, Puig windscreen, Woodcraft sliders, BD43 headlight mod, Watsen LED signals, 2-Wheels levers, SW Motec tank bag, Givi topcase, Galfer SS brake lines, LED pod lights, Hyperlites, Grip Puppies

  17. Thanks Motogiro thanked for this post
  18. #10
    Super Member Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6? ShoopCE's Avatar
    Join Date
    Sep 2013
    Location
    Parkersburg, WV
    Posts
    460
    Mentioned
    1 Post(s)
    Tagged
    0 Thread(s)

    Re: Anyone interested in ECU Tuning for the FZ6?

    Count me in if Ivan will set it up for the otherwise stock bike.

    A year or so ago, before I installed the R6 forks I was looking at ECU Unleashed facilities to try to get correction for the issues that you mentioned, Tom. But it seems like they are not currently very interested in this for the FZ6 unless you want to go the full route with dyno tuning, etc. It also seems that the facilities that do it are dependent on the person who had the training/would be doing the work and you get no response to emails if that guy has left the company.

    I was looking at Ivan's pages right when I bought the FJR and I really liked what he said about his approach for that bike. He did it on his 2016. YES.

    I'm really not looking for more power or better performance for the FJR, yet. Still getting used to dancing with the big girl. And I got her mainly for 2-up riding.

    But I would like to improve the FZ6's issues for on-throttle and lower gear timing. I think Ivan could do a great job for those issues, and probably more than I'm wanting.

    Let me know when you need a deposit.

    Chris
    Last edited by ShoopCE; 10-05-2018 at 08:02 AM.
    2008 FZ6 Cobalt Blue
    R6 forks, R6 Mirrors, MRA Vario windscreen, ThrottleMeister, Shogun frame sliders, SpeedoDRD, Corbin GF&Lady w backrest, R&G FE

  19. Likes Motogiro liked this post
 

 
Page 1 of 2 12 LastLast

Similar Threads

  1. New in Box DDM Tuning HID Kit f/s
    By braden07 in forum Bikes/Parts For Sale
    Replies: 0
    Last Post: 10-03-2012, 01:33 PM
  2. Tuning the FZ6...
    By mave2911 in forum Garage / Mechanical Help
    Replies: 6
    Last Post: 07-17-2012, 07:09 AM
  3. Tuning, ECU and PC3
    By mave2911 in forum FZ6 Mods
    Replies: 12
    Last Post: 06-23-2012, 01:15 PM
  4. Custom Tuning
    By HappyHighwayman in forum FZ6 General Discussion
    Replies: 24
    Last Post: 02-17-2012, 07:19 PM
  5. Dyno Tuning
    By brufz6 in forum FZ6 General Discussion
    Replies: 1
    Last Post: 05-29-2010, 07:36 PM

Tags for this Thread

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •  
All times are GMT -7. The time now is 04:38 AM.
4.2.5
Image resizer by SevenSkins
Search Engine Optimisation provided by DragonByte SEO (Pro) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Feedback Buttons provided by Advanced Post Thanks / Like v3.6.3 (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
User Alert System provided by Advanced User Tagging (Lite) - vBulletin Mods & Addons Copyright © 2018 DragonByte Technologies Ltd.
Copyright ©2007 , All content is property of 600Riders.Com All Rights Reserved. The opinions and posts on this site do not neccesarily reflect those of the site owners or operators.
Yamaha FZ6 and Yamaha rights are property of Yamaha Motor Company. 600Riders.com is not associated with Yamaha in any way. We are an enthusiast site dedicated to the Yamaha FZ6 motorcycles. Our goal is to offer a place for Yamaha FZ6 owners to discuss rides, events, mods, maintenance, purchasing, etc
vBulletin Skin By: PurevB.com