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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    The one on that link is what I have... I never had an issue with it (small engines, not an FZ).

    At this point, I'd probably look around for a better unit, (you get what you pay for) and go from there....

    Most of the small engines I currently work on (2 strokes with retaining-keeps rings from rotating), the piston goes in from the bottom of the cylinder using ONLY the cylinder chamfer.

    Not in the S2 manual, but the S1 manual, the ring compressor used:
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    I did order another (should be better) tool, but now I don't think it will do much good.

    Couldn't find a real life pic of the yamaha tool, but here is a very similar one for hondas
    Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please-ring-compressor_medium079542830000-01_4123-jpg

    You can clearly see that it is made is such a way as to get inside that chamfer.
    2004 FZ6 with R6 Fork and brakes, Leo Vince SBK Carbon Exhaust, Venhill SS Race brake lines

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Me likes, those should be good. As long as they fit the piston diameter range..

    It's funny the S2 manual doesn't show the compressor at all..
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    If you want something even funnier- ALL yamaha tools going by those codes are discontinued, without any direct replacement.

    After "reverse engineering" all those honda tools - finding out what model they are for, and searching the specs for the models bore, it turns out that neither are close to the fz6 bore.

    One final effort- one guy told me to use the tin from a beer can + zip ties, and shove that inside the chamfer. After wasting 2 more hours for nothing, that didn't work either. In total I've got about 6 (six) hours wasted fiddling with the cyl 1 piston, and about 1,5h researching about the magic tool.

    Also at this point I'm beginning to think about the integrity of those rings (there are no visible marks, but even so...).

    Now the only thing left is to order a custom piece made on a lathe. Looking at my calendar- adding the time to get the part and the time I'll be away with work, the soonest I'd be able to use it and hopefully get those pistons inside the block is 12th of May.
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Finally some good news- dad knew a guy who knows a guy, and arranged for an "gentle inspection"- bike will be revved up to 2000rpm and for a minute at most. So at least the "bike will get it's guts reved out on no load while on a fresh engine on inspection" part is settled.
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    The saga continues- there were some complications with the machining of the ring insertion tool; long story short it still is not ready, and hopefully I'll be so by the end of next week.

    While I'm still not giving up on the FZ6, I'm done being bikeless. For a second bike, I did originally intend to get a more touring suited bike (even started a thread for that), but with the local market lacking in good sporty-tourers and the budget not really allowing something like-new (costing 7-8000€), I could only narrow it down to a VTR 1000F and CBR600 f4i.

    Especially the VTR seems appealing, having both the best service history - full log on a forum since 2015 with lots of things done such as new CCT, brakes and forks rebuild, new battery- and the best price (very unpopular model). I'm not the biggest fan of 2 cylinders, but I've only ridden twins not Vs- some GS500f and a ER6n, so not really comparable. Should it still be on the market by next weekend and check out fine, I'll probably get it. Regardless of it lacking 2 cylinders, provided that it's as advertised, nothing would give similar value for money.
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    The piston tool for the FZ6 is still in machining.

    I did manage to see the VTR however. tl;dr: Look wise it was a bit poorer than expected, but it ran OK. Longer story here: http://www.600riders.com/forum/fz6-g...tml#post638035
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    One more little update: I've started to paint the engine. Here is a little teaser: the valve cover primed and painted (will matte clear coat it tomorrow). Have the engine block fully masked; I'll degrease the side covers, lightly sand them and perhaps fill the small scrape from the stator cover, and will paint it all in one go. The engine head will get done last.

    Also- perhaps I forgot to mention, but 2 weeks ago I've also lapped the valves.
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    I had some decent scrapes in my stator when I got the bike.

    They sanded out with a random orbit sander (no bondo).

    Re-painted and sold it as it looked stock (with the mention of the repair).
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Turns out power tools weren't needed- after 10 minutes of hard applied elbow grease with the 80 grit sandpaper I got the scratches smoothed out (took about 1mm off).

    I've (finally) just gotten the piston tool. Bad news is that it wasn't build to my specs (ID is 0,1mm too small and not enough bevel)- it wasn't the same guy who did the axle spacers. Good news is that at least it's made out of aluminum, so it will be quicker to sand down than to have it rebuilt. After all something is better than nothing.

    Bonus photo: top view of the fz6 next to the VTR1000F I've just bought today.
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