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  • Leave it alone, she's fine the way she is.

    226 50.00%
  • Exhaust, air filter, airbox mods that get us 5-10 hp increase ($200 per 1 hp increase).

    78 17.26%
  • Engine Swap with R6 for a 35 hp increase ($64 per 1 hp increase).

    23 5.09%
  • Suspension, everybody knows suspension is where it's at for real world performance increase.

    125 27.65%
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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    Although I realize you are comparing with a 2006 R6 since your FZ6 is also 06, that is not the R6 our engine is made from. That would be the 03-05 R6, the current one at the time Yamaha released our bike. I'm not sure swapping the 06 R6 engine in would be easy by any means. The 03-05 (later years for R6S) engine would most likely be a lot closer to bolt-in, but there are other differences as well, ECU (injector firing is different) etc. Those model R6 only made 115 hp without ram air though, so it wouldn't be much difference. They were actually rated at 121 hp but that was with ram air, which we don't have.
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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    In my opinion. Im not trying to make my bike a R6. I just want it to get it faster, if I had an R6, I would try to make it as fast as a R1, if i had an R1 I would try to make it as fast as a Busa. Its just a hobby. I was never one to keep a car, truck, motorcycle, or even bicycle stock for long. It adds your own personality to it. Be that looks, comfort or speed. Even if i had a Ducati Desmosedici I would still try to upgrade it. Thats half the fun
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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    Quote Originally Posted by Wavex View Post
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    You can have all the HP in the world and it won't make you faster in the corners... it will make you go faster in a straight line though...

    Put your money in track days and suspension, that's where you will get the most improvements in "speed", not by spending thousands of dollars in performance mods or a diff bike (unless you like to drag race in a straight line)... IMO
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    Quote Originally Posted by afpreppie04 View Post
    Although I realize you are comparing with a 2006 R6 since your FZ6 is also 06, that is not the R6 our engine is made from. That would be the 03-05 R6, the current one at the time Yamaha released our bike. I'm not sure swapping the 06 R6 engine in would be easy by any means. The 03-05 (later years for R6S) engine would most likely be a lot closer to bolt-in, but there are other differences as well, ECU (injector firing is different) etc. Those model R6 only made 115 hp without ram air though, so it wouldn't be much difference. They were actually rated at 121 hp but that was with ram air, which we don't have.
    Agreed! But at the cost per horsepower, I would be willing to bet you could do the swap with all of the necessary mods for less than $200 per 1 horsepower increase.

    Quote Originally Posted by YamahaMAXdRPMs View Post
    In my opinion. Im not trying to make my bike a R6. I just want it to get it faster, if I had an R6, I would try to make it as fast as a R1, if i had an R1 I would try to make it as fast as a Busa. Its just a hobby. I was never one to keep a car, truck, motorcycle, or even bicycle stock for long. It adds your own personality to it. Be that looks, comfort or speed. Even if i had a Ducati Desmosedici I would still try to upgrade it. Thats half the fun
    I don't think any of us are trying to make our FZ's into R6's, but rather, like you, just enjoy, tinkering, modding, and trying to improve perfromance, looks, originality, uniqueness, whatever
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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    I'm all for modding my FZ6, but I know I can't turn into something its not.

    In my opinion what good is all that power if you can't use it the right way. Quote from Yamaha. " Power without Precision is pointless"

    I get the same question as well, why didn't you just get an R6?
    I had thought about it before I bought my FZ6 but in the real world of commuting daily and just going for a ride the R6 wasn't comfortable.

    Yea the r6 has power, but the newest onesput down 108-112 hp to the rear wheel. I know for a fact because I dynoed several new r6's and they had the normal mods of exhaust, filter, PC3. Mind you that power comes when its screaming up top. Who here is willing to redline their bike going around town just to have "all that power"

    In my opinion the FZ6 has enough power to get me from stop light to stop light and it does down low don't have to scream to move like an r6.

    And in the way of track days from my experience I went up again a BMW K1200. Murdered me in the straights but I'd get mad at him in the corners cuz he went from speeddemon to driving miss daisy. That bike has me easily beaten by 60+ hp.

    My instructors all say the same thing, I dont need more power to keep up with all those others bikes during my track days, I just need gearing and suspension.

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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    Put your money in track days and suspension, that's where you will get the most improvements in "speed", not by spending thousands of dollars in performance mods or a diff bike (unless you like to drag race in a straight line)... IMO
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    lol, that's an extremely accurate statement. I've only done one track day and it was a day with an instructor at a race school. I learned more and got so much quicker based on the feedback I got from there and the knowledge I've picked up from books/dvds like TOTW, etc than any amount of tire, engine or suspension upgrades would have made me.

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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    How about buying an R6 and fitting dirt bike riser bars to it!

    I don't think all these mods are done purely for HP gains. Eg I've got some pipes on order. I'm happy with my HP at the moment. My motivation for the pipes is the sound. If I get more HP with that then all the sweeter, and we like to think that each thing does add a bit of power. But it's often not the primary motivation.

    I removed my pillion footpegs to save weight. But it's not because I want to achieve a certain weight figure, just that they're superfluous to my needs. If I had an R6 I'd also remove them, that's not to say I'm chasing more, just that I can.

    If I had an R6, I'd still do over 50% of my FZ6 mods to it.

    Good observation though, and seems especially prevelant in the PC3/5 threads.
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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    Quote Originally Posted by YamahaMAXdRPMs View Post
    In my opinion. Im not trying to make my bike a R6. I just want it to get it faster, if I had an R6, I would try to make it as fast as a R1, if i had an R1 I would try to make it as fast as a Busa. Its just a hobby. I was never one to keep a car, truck, motorcycle, or even bicycle stock for long. It adds your own personality to it. Be that looks, comfort or speed. Even if i had a Ducati Desmosedici I would still try to upgrade it. Thats half the fun
    When you say "faster", are you talking flat out speed or are you really meaning to say you want more torque? I mean, the FZ6 will go from zero to ticket in first gear and off to jail in second gear. But (and I may be mistaken) what I think you mean is you want it faster out of the hole, rolling on at the apex? That means you're looking for torque.

    But, just as Wavex and Hellgate pointed out, technique and a properly handling bike are paramount to being able to out-pace other bikes. The FZ1 is hard pressed to stay with the smaller 600, 500 and 250 bikes on a totally technical track (all curves and few straights) with like riders. A highly technical rider on a 250 is going to put any of the larger bikes away if they carry the "average skilled" street rider.

    The FZ6 is a great machine for what it is... mild sport and touring... a daily commuter. But without a lot of money in upgrades, namely race-quality suspension, the bike struggles to stay in a heavy lean through the corner and because it cannot be adjusted from stock, is terrible at settling through a bump in a corner and can be quite scary (I know first hand...)

    The FZ1, even though it has adjustable suspension, is still not great, but better. It is still going to take some hard earned cash to make this bike perform should I want more out of it. For now, with the adjustments I have made, it is a ton better than my old FZ6 but it can be a lot better still...
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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    Just a fun fact that most ppl do not know but the hp numbers between the R6 and the FZ6 are misleading. Yamaha and their awesomeness pulled a fast one...the Hp numbers for the R6 are measured at the crank for a great selling point 135hp 600cc supersport, funny enough the FZ6 hp numbers are measured at the rear wheel for a selling point of 96hp swiss army knife jack of all trades....pretty neat how they did that huh so in all reality the r6 makes about 115-120ish at the wheel...my .02 night all

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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    interesting fact: I never pay retail for anything I buy*

    The Leo Vince exhaust I got barely used (indistinguishable from new) for $400. The PCV I paid $285 (shipped) for through indysuperbikes.com. The BMC I got on closeout from Fast by Feracci for $20.

    So.... my 7hp gain cost me $700 but beyond that, my exhaust looks amazing and sounds great too. That fact doesn't show up on graphs or stopwatches.

    HOWEVER. my 7hp gain was before the PCV which puts 7hp at $420 which is just $60 per horsepower. I win the bhp/$ race!


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    Re: Noticing a trend in FZ6 Horsepower Obsession

    Quote Originally Posted by youngGun View Post
    Just a fun fact that most ppl do not know but the hp numbers between the R6 and the FZ6 are misleading. Yamaha and their awesomeness pulled a fast one...the Hp numbers for the R6 are measured at the crank for a great selling point 135hp 600cc supersport, funny enough the FZ6 hp numbers are measured at the rear wheel for a selling point of 96hp swiss army knife jack of all trades....pretty neat how they did that huh so in all reality the r6 makes about 115-120ish at the wheel...my .02 night all
    actually, the FZ6 is rated at 98hp at the crank. on a rolling dyno, most people see 85-89hp at the tire.
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