Erik Buell Racing has just updated its website, and released the first real clear shot of what the EBR 1190RR will look like it in its racing form. With 185hp being made at the rear-wheel (according to the optimistic DynoJet dynamometer), the EBR 1190RR sits at the top of the Buell totem poll. Erik Buell Racing has spec’d the machine to be legal in both the AMA and WSBK, but the 1190RR is not homologated for neither the AMA American Superbike class (yet?), nor for WSBK (even bigger question mark).
Based off the 1125R chassis, the 1190RR is virtually anorexic, dropping 30lbs off the AMA Daytona Superbike racing machine, while still bumping up displacement by 65cc’s. With 93lb•ft of torque on hand at 9,500 RPM, the EBR 1190RR is sure to sling your eye balls into the back of your head…if you can find a racing series to race it in.
but that huge one disk setup is in no way as good as the traditional twin radial setups ...
Also 185hp on an optimistic dynojet ... the WSBK bikes put out 200hp @ the wheels ...
What do you base that statement on? What I've read was that performance is very similar, but with less torsional load (since it's mounted on the rim) and much less weight (since there's only one disk/caliper).
That's also why other ppl are slowly looking into similar designs... here is an example:
Brakko Combined Wheel Brake System
HP is not everything... WSBK bikes make more HP than MotoGP bikes, but MotoGP bikes are faster around a track (more HP doesn't automatically mean more performance)... torque peak number and torque curves are just as important... just like weight etc....
I rode the 1125 for half a day and found the front brake not so good. They have good stopping power, but no good feel. A modern radial setup gives a lot more feel with braking imho.
And MotoGP have more power, weigh less and have a better chassis ... don't see the point of the comparison.
If the Buell is going to ride in the superbike class, you should compare it with other superbikes. And I know hp isn't everything. And I certanly don't think 185whp isn't a lot, cause it is. And the torque and curves are very important as well, thats true.
But the riders who ride @ that level will certanly feel the 15hp difference ... when everybody is so good and the bikes are so good, the little differences makes you a winner or a loser ...
The brakes are very different between the bike you rode and the 1190. The 1190 used a Nissin radial brake M/C, the 6mm thick rotor (instead of the 5mm that is stock) and different brake pads.
I'm using the EBC HH pads and the feel is night an day from stock. Also, what year did you ride? For the first 6 months of '08 they used a pad that was so-so, then they updated to a different, better feeling pad.
I can say I like 1125 brake much better than the R6 brakes on my old FZ.
As far as HP I'm not aware of any magazines that have ridden a 1190, only the 1125RR. John Ulrich wrote a very good article on the RR and he stated it was down about 15 hp from AMA Superbikes, but was a very good handling bike once he set it up. The 1190 solves pretty much any hp issues.
As far a winners and loser, it 99.9% rider. Put Spies or Haga on a tricycle and they'll still win; a great rider finds a way to win.
I rode the 1125 for half a day and found the front brake not so good. They have good stopping power, but no good feel. A modern radial setup gives a lot more feel with braking imho.
And MotoGP have more power, weigh less and have a better chassis ... don't see the point of the comparison.
If the Buell is going to ride in the superbike class, you should compare it with other superbikes. And I know hp isn't everything. And I certanly don't think 185whp isn't a lot, cause it is. And the torque and curves are very important as well, thats true.
But the riders who ride @ that level will certanly feel the 15hp difference ... when everybody is so good and the bikes are so good, the little differences makes you a winner or a loser ...
A good radial MC wil indeed help a lot with the feel I guess. The bike I rode was an '08 ... I liked the bike, I liked the torque a lot! And the gearbox was super smooth compared to my FZ6.
The rider is quite important in motobike racing. And I would really like to see an 1190 running with the top 10 in wsbk ... that would be awsome :thumbup:.
I just got a feeling with eric buell that he's just a bit stubburn when it comes to his "inventions". But hey ... if everybody would just go with the flow, there would be no real progress any more.
Lots of skuttle-butt around those numbers. "Bike" magazine got 183.7 hp.
Not to poo-poo the bike at all btw, it is an outstanding bike, just the dyno run that produced the numbers has been questioned by many people/places and things.
You're right, sorry!But this thread IS about the 1190RR.
from "no way as good as radial" to "not a good feel"...
OK!
Could you please provide the data that allows you to state that MotoGP bikes "have more power" (HP/torque) than WSBK bikes? I am curious since I've always thought it was the opposite.
My point which you failed to understand was that even if all WSBK bikes all made 200HP except for the Buell, it doesn't mean the Buell will be slower on the track... for all you know that Buell has double the torque and is half the weight of all other WSBK bikes... I involved MotoGP to illustrate that point. Throwing HP numbers out there (like you originally did) without considering a lot of other points makes little sense imo.
hmmm No, sorry. You cannot look at HP alone and tell me the Buell won't be competitive because it -supposedly- has 15HP less than other bikes... and btw, where do you get the 200RWHP number for WSBK bikes?