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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    If you will be doing 2up riding, consider your passenger. I love my '06 Triumph Sprint ST for touring, but recently the hubby and I had to ride 2up for about 120 miles due to mechanical issues with his bike. I was on the back and with the hard cases on the bike, it was very uncomfortable foot position for me on the rear footpegs. I could only put my heals on the pegs. The back of my boots were hitting the front of the hardcases. I was going to recommend a Sprint until you said 2up. It has a huge tank (250+ miles per tank), very sporty with the 1050 triple, and lightweight (600 pounds). I've ridden it on and off a few ferrys and manuvered it through a few tight places (my hubby always forgets I don't have 30 plus years of experience like him) with no problem.

    We don't usually ride 2up because we both like to drive, but he's a terrible passenger.... Riding our own bike is so much more fun!!!! But costs twice as much in gas and maintenance.

    Good Luck with your hunt for a bike. I'm just jealous you have so many fabulous places nearby to ride to. Enjoy! Keep the rubber side down.
    Silly boys, sportbikes are for girls...

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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    Thanks Monica!

    After witnessing a few (very) close calls with her on public roads, on her MTB, I am glad that my GF explicitly told me that she has no intentions to drive a motorcycle and that she thinks she'd be much safer right behind me that trying to keep up on her own. Also, the fact that she is quite petite means that the most powerful bike she'd be comfortable on would something like a 450cc Honda rebel. If anyone from my family were to ride my FZ6 it would most likely be my mother, though until getting a full "A" license, for their safety, I wouldn't let anyone with zero bike experience try an 100+hp bike.

    As for the places to ride I am indeed lucky to have a lot of options. In a few hours I can get to either the Carpathian or Balkan mountains, 1-2 days the Dinarides, 2-3 days to the Alps . Only things I'd need are a functioning bike and some free time, hopefully by the end of this month I'll be able to sort out both.

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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    Found an Aprilia RST1000 Futura for about 1800€ at 25 minutes away, second owner (since 2013), with a broken stator (not charging, shorted). I'll see it in 1-2 weeks, when I'll be able to overlap schedules with the owner.

    The guy says that it's perfectly rideable with a charged battery. Also he's already done a number of mods and repairs, such as upgraded rear shock, steel braided lines, power plugs, and covering the few Achile's heel electrical issues. On ebay a stator is about 100€.

    Compared to the FJR1300:

    -downsides: much rarer parts, much lower chance of finding spare parts abroad if it breaks (not that the FRJ is R6-like widespread, but still better), a bit more bent forward position, lower range, not sure I'd like a V twin (only had a short experience with someone else's Harley 883, and that was some years ago), very hard to resell if I decide to pass it on, probably a bit lower wind protection

    -upsides: much lighter (wet weight is about 20kg lighter than the dry weight of the FJR), much much much cheaper (probably I could get it to 1400-1600€ + 100-200€ in parts, vs 3300-5000€ for a FJR), probably better brakes and suspension, better looking (IMO)

    Any opinions?
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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    Like the FZ, the FJR is about bullet proof, has been around since prior to 2003 so parts are easy to find...

    I prefer something I'm not fixing constantly, or dealers are few and far in between.

    I think YOU should ride both, your the one that counts...
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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    Get the FJR, Yamaha builds a much better bike in the long run. Don't sweat the weight of the FJR it's really no big deal and when you open up the 1300 you will know what a great job Yamaha did with the Feejeer.


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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    Quote Originally Posted by bigborer View Post
    I wouldn't get any of them new.

    It'd probably cost me:
    -2500€ for a fzs1000, 03-04
    -3500-4500€ for a fz1, 09-11
    -4000-5000€ for a fz8, 10-12

    A fz9 tracer would also be nice, but the fairing is very small and it is still rare and pricey (6500€+).

    .......................
    I agree the second hand FZ9 Tracers are still quite pricey which is why I decided to buy a new one (and ride it for years).
    The fairing doesn't look much but does a better job than you would imagine, it still doesn't protect the helmet but neither did the FZ6. Got bags of torque very nimble (it steers like a dream) and only 210 kg, my wife doesn't ride with me so I don't know about 2 up but I would think it would be ideal, more effortless to ride than the FZ6 (less gear changing and a much better bottom end). I went for a long ride last Sunday (750km, 400km motorway and the rest twisties mainly in the Eifel region of Germany) and I must admit I didn't feel any worse for wear for it (unlike with the FZ6).
    Good luck in your search

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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    Couldn't find a fjr1300 to test ride.

    I'm still thinking whether or not to check that futura out, as I'm a bit afraid I'd come with it home, and few months later bash my face on the keyboard for not finding parts for it.

    Other bikes I've included on my list:

    -vfr 800 with some mods to the screen and handlebars

    -gsxf 1250- similar to a fjr, a bit lighter but much weaker chassis

    -sprint gt- as suggested by Monica, I've looked into it, seems interesting, however the main issue with it is it's rather poor popularity and used availability

    -fz6- converting my bike from naked to touring by fitting a complete front nose from a fazer, one of those aftermarket lower fairings, tall windshield, permanent luggage rack. Would it be worth it? How much more (wind) comfort would it add?

    There are 2 issues with my naked fz6: no luggage storage- this is easily fixable with a rack and side boxes, but the main issue is wind protection- or lack of it. On zero wind, I can cruise at 160km, without make any efforts to hold on however I'd appreciate less wind noise. Add a little wind and I loose 10-20km of that. Add GF in the back and I loose 20-40km of that, reducing my cruise speed to 110-130kms (depending on wind condition). At 160 (read 100 miles) the wind is so bad for her she is holding on for dear life. Went 170 for a few minutes once, and she said she thought she was about to be ripped off the bike by the wind pressure and die. If I was able to cruise at 150 with the same comfort as now at 110, and perhaps have the ability to go 180-200 without anybody getting dismounted by the wind, WHILE keeping all other fz6's characteristics it'd be awesome.
    If I converted the fz6 I'd buy a SM for town riding, and keep the fz6 for any trips longer than 1h.
    2004 FZ6 with R6 Fork and brakes, Leo Vince SBK Carbon Exhaust, Venhill SS Race brake lines

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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    If I were to do any LD trips, it'd be on an FJR. With the adjustable windshield, plenty of HP and torque, two up touring is not an issue.

    It's NOT unusual to see 500,000 miles with the hard core, LD riders on these bikes...

    Fastest I've been (on my 2004), two up, but no luggage, was 145 MPH on the interstate (for a short time) and there was more left.

    GF was fine (with no back rest). And NO wringing it out to get there.
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    Re: Thinking about a new touring oriented bike

    I've inquired 2 FJR sellers on the local classifieds, and by the way the add looked and their lack of response I can tell that they were scum middlemen. At this moment there are only around 10 FJRs posted online nationwide, out of which only 3-4 meet my criteria of being 03-05 with ABS (due to the increase in weight and wheel base I'm not interested at all in 2nd or 3rd gen). At the same time, there are hundreds of R1s and R6s .

    Sat near an VFR 800 at a stop light, and it seemed way too small. Also, GF commented that she wouldn't be able to sit on the back for more than 30 minutes (there was a girl about her size, and yes her position seemed more tilted and cramped than on a fz6). So the VFR 800 is out. Too bad, as there are plenty of them here...

    Any other ideas? Especially any comments on transplanting the fazer half fairing on my naked fz6? Keep in mind that I'd also be perfectly fine with modding any model should it provide a good base.
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