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    No ride is too far... 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~ motojoe122's Avatar
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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    Headers look good tho!
    Keeping the waterways safe since 1996.

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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    Sometimes progress comes at a cost. I wasn't ready to hammer in the header and that nub serves no other purpose than to slow me down. So it lost! With the nub gone, the header fits fine! Now to weld up sump.

    - If one was to bash in the header just a bit, you could get it to work that way. If you follow my mission, its about improving flow and bashing in the header would be a last resort. It hasn't come to that yet!

    Also, O2 sensor is a standard size and pitch (18mm X 1.5mm) so there is no reason to buy a Yamaha $250 O2 sensor unless you want to pay $175 for the yamaha connector on it. I'll weld the SS bung to the pipe. I had to verify it fits. But it won't be there long as a wide band O2 sensor will be in its place. Or maybe throw the Bazzaz controller on it and just use the sensor to monitor AFR...

    Chance, in this shot I clamped them together at the flange. Everything aligns good! As for the length. It looks deceiving but we all know the S2 mid pipe is longer and the S1 mid pipe shorter. It's because of the bend radius at the end. The S2 header has that nasty bend and is shorter so it needs a longer mid pipe.
    - That said, they come out and point in the same direction. This is GOING TO WORK! Despite many saying it doesn't.


    In case someone needs this info w/out crawling under bike.
    Denso O2 Sensor:


    Random Pick! Was thinking a Flapper would look good!


    Attempted to correct color in this photo. Exhaust valves on NONE-OIL burning engines are always grey/white/ash colored. Keep in mind the flash was on stun to reach into the port so they look white. The valves are not white. The block is BLACK but too much reflection....
    Note AIS port (Present in 4 ports). Note: All 8 valves had a touch of oil/carbon build up right around the valve guide. I decel from high RPMs often. NOTE very light film of oil on roof of port.
    Last edited by FinalImpact; 09-14-2015 at 05:53 PM.
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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    R6 cam swap is what i would like to see after all these great improvements.

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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    Quote Originally Posted by fazil View Post
    R6 cam swap is what i would like to see after all these great improvements.
    I thought you grabbed a set of cams? Did you ever install them?

    Well ive been thinking about it. Mating used cams from another block against used buckets from another block is a turn off. Buying 16 new buckets is to expensive. That is my issue....
    08 Raven w/a few mods...
    R6 Forks, R1 Rear Shock (revalved), 6° Ignition Advance, S1 CAT free Header, SS Mid-Pipe, 2Bro Exhaust, AIS block off plates, Bazzaz Z-Fi Fuel Controller & Z-AFM Data Logger, Air Box mod, CR10E Plugs, 48-Tooth Rear Sprocket, FZ1 Bars, Spider Grips, Adj levers, Powder Coated -Triple, Bars & Rear Sets, Solid mounted rear-sets w/knurled pegs, Dual Headlight, Tail Tidy, LED Combo Brake & Directionals, LED POD lights & Tinted PUIG Wind Screen!

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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    I thought you grabbed a set of cams? Did you ever install them?
    Yes, cams are still waiting in a box. Still not sure if that swap worth to try.
    I didn't know that buckets should be changed too. What if the existing buckets are used with the R6 cams?

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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    Quote Originally Posted by FinalImpact View Post
    I thought you grabbed a set of cams? Did you ever install them?

    Well ive been thinking about it. Mating used cams from another block against used buckets from another block is a turn off. Buying 16 new buckets is to expensive. That is my issue....
    why? it's just buckets, will re-shimming not work for clerance adjusting?

    Are used buckets can be used with r6 cams after sanding with 2000 paper?
    Last edited by ozgurakman; 01-12-2015 at 10:11 AM.

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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    Quote Originally Posted by fazil View Post
    Yes, cams are still waiting in a box. Still not sure if that swap worth to try.
    I didn't know that buckets should be changed too. What if the existing buckets are used with the R6 cams?
    From new the CAM lobe and BUCKET work harden and wear and mate as a pair. That's why you keep the order and put each back where it came from so they don't have to wear in as a new pair and make more metal.

    Point - mixing used parts has some risk. Most get away with it but every once in a while a cam/tappet/bucket assembly will be ruined. So even tho the surface looks the same, they should not be swapped. I think the quality of parts and oil is tipping the odds in our favor but I'm not to that point yet.

    Plus I don't want full song from 10 - 14, would rather move it down the scale than up...
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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    Did you guys see this --> How to adjust your valves.. .. ..

    In short I had 3 valves that were out of spec enough to hear them. Each of the 3 buckets that had more clearance had some form of RING on them. Here are two of them. I couldn't measure any deflection but clearly something is happening. So I wouldn't want to throw a different cam at these.. .. ..



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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    If new buckets are replaced for used R6 cams, is it ok?

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    Re: 08 FZ6 Condensed Build thread ~Final Impact~

    If new buckets are replaced for used R6 cams, is it ok?

    New buckets are the safe way to go. Is it 100% required, thats a guessing game. As stated, others have gotten away with OUT replacing them.
    MY OBSERVATION IS THIS: Why is it that people that DO MAJOR Changes like USD Forks, tail bobs, under bike exhaust, always sell them??
    No need to go that far, and throw in the towel if the goal is really a need. So thats the deciding point for me. Do I really have to have it!

    The next thing is the springs, the exhausts are the same PN. The intake springs are different. R6 does have more lift. Its not much, but it may be worth looking into just to be sure.

    PS - My goal is to never to compromise reliability. I ride too far alone and have no desire to walk home w/out a bike and/or freeze in the woods.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ozgurakman View Post
    why? it's just buckets, will re-shimming not work for clerance adjusting?

    Are used buckets can be used with r6 cams after sanding with 2000 paper?
    I would just throw them in there before doing that. No way to control what sanding does.
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