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    Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Hello,

    I am currently stuck abroad as my trip was detoured by some malfunction. The timeline of events:
    -yesterday I saw the check engine light flash for 1s while going over a bump
    -today I saw the highbeam led flash for 1s when starting the bike
    -rode for about 100km-
    -let the bike sit in the sun for 3-4h, very hot weather-
    -rode the bike for 50km, got the check engine light, engine sounding like my friends vstrom, 33 showing in the dash
    -stopped on the highway in the midddle of nowhere, took off the battery terminals, ecu connector, got warned by the highway patrol
    -restarted the bike, ran fine for 2km, then the whole story repeated
    -ran the bike at slow speed for 5 more km to a parking spot
    -removed and reinserted the ecu plug 10 times, let the battery off for half an hour, removed and reinserted the 2 outside spark plug leads
    -restarted the bike, same thing after a few kms, gave it a few twists on the throttle, check engine went off, and then i limped it at 3500rpm for 20 more kms to a random hotel

    Tomorrow I'm going to some shady local garage, where it's still uncertain if the guys there even speak english. Hopefully I'll get the spark plugs off, and measure the resistance for all leads. My only tools with me are a few hex keys and a multifunction screwdriver. My hope is that there is only one loose connector.

    I'm kind of desperate right now. Any help would be apreciated. Also, to get to the spark plug does the air filter need removal, or the battery?

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    As much as I hope a more knowledgeable member can pinpoint a potential fix, given how niggly electrical problems can be I'd start making plans for a mate to collect you in a truck.

    At least call it plan B. Where are you and where is home BTW?

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Right now I'm in Greece, about 1300 km from home. Plan B is finding some towing guy online (there are guys privately transporting car/motorcycle all over europe for 250-400) and getting a flight for me and my gf, or asking my dad to get a trailer and my car and come here to pick me up - which is not ideal either, as while almost recovered, he's not at his best health lately. Also will get charged for no show on the booking.com reservations (already missed a night)... It is what it is, as my gf said it could have been worse, such as geting ran over under a truck...

    Apart from a ~100rpm variation in idle rmp when cold (which i don t know if it is normal or not, it ran perfectly for about 3000km, since I bought it...

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Do you have the FZ6 factory service manual?

    Fault code 33

    "Malfunction detected in the
    primary wire of the ignition
    coil (#1and #4)."

    Possible causes:
    • Open or short circuit in wire harness.
    • Malfunction in ignition coil.
    • Malfunction in ECU.
    • Malfunction in a component of ignition cutoff
    circuit system.


    Edit: Check out these threads for troubleshooting code 33
    http://www.600riders.com/forum/fz6-t...e-33-help.html
    http://www.600riders.com/forum/garag...der-1-4-a.html
    Last edited by darius; 06-25-2017 at 04:20 PM.

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    I'd say it's a coil as it's heat related.
    You can swap the coils and see if you get error #34 - Malfunction detected in the primary wire of the ignition coil (#2 and #3) - but you'll need tools for that and then another coil to get back on the road
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Not sure it s heat releated, it did the same thing 4min aftet starting, then it stalled a few times then it ran ok. Currently waiting for the shop to open...

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Also, the cylinder from far left (riders perspective) seemed a bit cooler than the rest...

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    I don't have an answer for you be reading the other threads, points towards the ECU.

    Can you rent a small moving truck ONE WAY and put the bike in the back tied down?

    Just for S&G's try manipulating the RED kill switch(on the right control). See if that makes any difference...
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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    The following may be helpful for whoever is servicing/ trouble shooting your issue.


    Keep in mind any of these conditions can be intermittent and dependent on load or/and temperature coefficient. Meaning; The conditions presented at time of tested may not indicate failure because the coil may not be at the specific temperature and/or load where it fails.


    Fault code 33 is the primary circuit on the coil that fires both #1 and #4 cylinders. There are many reasons you might get this code.. You may have a bad primary winding on the coil. The first test would be a resistance check on the primary winding. Do you have a Digital Multimeter?

    Disconnect the primary leads of the coil and put your meter in the Ohms mode x1k. You should get a reading of 1.53 to 2.07 @ 68 deg F.

    Also power to coils 1-4 and power to coils 2-3 are the same supply voltages. The supply voltages for both coils come through the kill switch so if coil 2-3 is powered so should coil 1-4. Here is the difference....Coil 1-4 and coil 2-3 are fired by toggling the negative side of the primary windings for each coil to ground. This is done by the ECU/ECM which fires each coil on the TDC or end of exhaust stroke for the paired cylinders. This makes a more efficient design solution instead of programming 4 different sparks for the standard inline 4 firing order.

    If you're not seeing voltage at the 1-4 cylinder coil there is the possibility the ECU is holding the negative primary on the coil down. Let's hope this is not the case because that could mean the ECU is damaged. Do not apply voltages to the coils directly unless the ECU plug has been disconnected. Unplug the ECU and then look to see if voltage is present on the dead coil. If the voltage is then present you may have a bad ECU. If there is still no voltage trace the coil supply wire back toward the kill switch. If that wire goes through a plug, the pins in that plug may be burned and not supplying the voltage any more.

    Again disconnect wiring and check resistance on primary.

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    Re: Error 33 breaking my bike abroad- urgent help please

    Thank you all for your replies!

    Long story short, the first mechanic I went to wouldn't touch the bike without a diagnostics tool (which he didn t have at that time) and sent me to the nearest dealership.

    There, the guy erased the error (diagnostics mode from the dashboard) and instantly said it's the plugs, don t worry. I insisted he take a test ride, and he came 10 minutes later saying the bike is perfectly fine, no issues just ride it, it only has bad fuel and needs new sparks.

    I told him if thats the case- replace them. His reply- it's not realy urgent, just ride it 30-50kms and if it still gives you trouble just come back and then I ll change them (very strange, first time the dealer refused to charge me!).

    Gave it good fuel (one of the few big petrol station gas stations I've seen in Greece). Rode about 150km until the error started again, for a few seconds and then disappearing.

    At this point, I don't have many options. Will just ride it as is, stay away from risky overtaking in case it suddenly drops power to two cylinders, and just clear the errors as they appear.

    All checks such as measuring resistances or switching coils are pretty much impossible to do until I get home.

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