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HavBlue
03-24-2008, 08:40 PM
Recently a number of tickets have been issued at my station to fix the light on our flag pole because the Flag of the United States of America is flown 24/7 at that facility. Tonight this was escalated when I took the flag down, folded it properly and stored it. It will not be returned until the dedicated lamp is repaired. Additionally, the POW/MIA flag has been stored as well. If this bunch of misfits can't follow the United States Flag Code then so be it, they won't get it back. The flag is currently under lock and key at the facility and roughly 30 letters from ex military personnel are going out to the US Senators. Lets see if this gets their attention......


OOH-RAH.....

OneTrack
03-24-2008, 08:59 PM
Good for you displaying proper respect for your country's flag, which should never fly in darkness.:thumbup:
Let us know the result of your (combined) action.

madmanmaigret
03-25-2008, 06:50 AM
Good job... Flag Nazi! Seriously I am glad that some people have the guts to do such a thing. Most people show no respect to our national colors :thumbup:

HavBlue
03-25-2008, 07:40 AM
Good job... Flag Nazi! Seriously I am glad that some people have the guts to do such a thing. Most people show no respect to our national colors :thumbup:


Well Madman, we tried it the easy way. Now we do it the hard way. Lets see them bust folks for showing the proper respect for our National Colors and following the flag code.

madmanmaigret
03-25-2008, 08:07 AM
Well Madman, we tried it the easy way. Now we do it the hard way. Lets see them bust folks for showing the proper respect for our National Colors and following the flag code.

They don't deserve to fly the flag if they don't respect it. Tell them Madman says.....:rtfm:

madmanmaigret
03-25-2008, 08:09 AM
Wait is this the IRS office? A government location? :mad: They should know better!

reiobard
03-25-2008, 08:40 AM
good for you, i hope it doesn't come back to bit you in the end

sportrider
03-25-2008, 08:06 PM
Hoo Ruh!!! good on ya, shipmate!!!

trailblazer87
03-25-2008, 08:11 PM
Good job Havblue. As a tax payer and voter I approve of your actions. Now if I could just get them to install a pole at the government building I work in...

HavBlue
03-25-2008, 08:35 PM
Today it was determined the flag was MIA. The head of Federal Security was called in and started an investigation. The security guard that was informed the flag was pulled down and respectfully folded for storage at 20:00 hours the night before (a 6 year Air Force MP) refused to give up the flag and told the head of security the flag was pulled down by vets who refused to give it back until it was treated with respect and properly flown. She basically told them they could terminate her and she still wouldn't give it up. The head of security as well as the chief IRS administrator for the facility asked if the vets would cut a deal for the flag if they promised to fly it only during the day time.

About an hour after this transpired I got a visit from the chief administrator asking if I knew where the flag may be as this may turn into a federal crime (stealing the flag of the United States from a Federal Facility.) I told him this wouldn't work and he could go ahead but he was going to look pretty stupid when (A) it was determined the flag was never stolen; (B) the intent of pulling the flag down was to follow the U.S. Flag Code (a public law) and (C) there were roughly 30 veterans of the United States Military involved in the action. He then asked me if I knew where the flag was and I responded in the affirm. I then took him to the flag and turned it over with the understanding it would not be flown after dusk without the operation of a dedicated lamp. He assured me that he, the folks from GSA and the owner of the building (it's leased) would be in conference tomorrow to discuss repairs to the lamp. I them made him aware of a formal letter of complaint that is moving around gathering signatures from veterans that will be address to the US Senator from Tennessee as well as Kentucky where I live. If the flag is flown is disrespect again the letter will be sent to both.

I'll keep you folks in the loop but I'll tell ya this, there's nothing like a bunch of vets protecting and respecting that flag. This Marine is damn proud of everybody involved in this incident. I really don't think they thought we would stand tall to there threats and we held fast.......

OOH-Rah..

madmanmaigret
03-26-2008, 05:05 AM
Damn you Charlie, you put this in my head and last night coming home from my birthday dinner I started to notice all of the un-lit flags. I started going off and my g/f was like what set this off? It might be time to take corrective action.

sideshow_downs
03-26-2008, 08:54 AM
Recently a number of tickets have been issued at my station to fix the light on our flag pole because the Flag of the United States of America is flown 24/7 at that facility. Tonight this was escalated when I took the flag down, folded it properly and stored it. It will not be returned until the dedicated lamp is repaired. Additionally, the POW/MIA flag has been stored as well. If this bunch of misfits can't follow the United States Flag Code then so be it, they won't get it back. The flag is currently under lock and key at the facility and roughly 30 letters from ex military personnel are going out to the US Senators. Lets see if this gets their attention......


OOH-RAH.....

As a Soldier currently deployed in defence of the Colors I back you fully on this

reiobard
03-26-2008, 09:01 AM
Damn you Charlie, you put this in my head and last night coming home from my birthday dinner I started to notice all of the un-lit flags. I started going off and my g/f was like what set this off? It might be time to take corrective action.

were these at residences? or businesses?

If it were a home i would take it down, fold it properly and set it on their doorstep with a note describing the flag code. if it happens again i would take it down and not return it.

madmanmaigret
03-26-2008, 09:25 AM
were these at residences? or businesses?

If it were a home i would take it down, fold it properly and set it on their doorstep with a note describing the flag code. if it happens again i would take it down and not return it.

businesses with the biggest flag they can buy. I really feel they do it to drive sales to vets instead of patriotism :rant: I really think I am going to make up a letter and start posting them on doors.

reiobard
03-26-2008, 09:48 AM
you can start by sending an anonymous letter to them telling them to start lighting the flag at night or you will start a boycott of the company and report them to the authorities.

Scorphonic
03-26-2008, 11:10 AM
I must say you guys have the right attitude towards your flag. Looking at my own country, we have fought for freedom for 700 years from the english and now that we have our own flag (not even 100 years old) i feel that the irish dont show the same respect towards their flag as you guys do. Fair play to ya.

Nelly
03-26-2008, 11:32 AM
I must say you guys have the right attitude towards your flag. Looking at my own country, we have fought for freedom for 700 years from the english and now that we have our own flag (not even 100 years old) i feel that the irish dont show the same respect towards their flag as you guys do. Fair play to ya.
You are not alone Scorph, having fought nearly everyone in the world in defense of our flag we show it fek all respect.
During the last world cup we were not allowed to fly the flag in case it caused racial tension. FGS you live in Britain now. Get used to it.
I wish we had that level of patriotic values.

Neil

reiobard
03-26-2008, 12:00 PM
i only wish everyone in our country shared the respect that you are admiring. there are some that would rather slander the flag, and the sad thing is that is a right that they are given under the flag (to an extent)

madmanmaigret
03-26-2008, 12:04 PM
Scorphonic & Neil, thank you both for the kind word but unfortunatly I feel the same as you, our people do not respect the flag as much as they should if they do at all. Like you know most americans are spoiled and are really clueless.

Hellgate
05-01-2008, 06:41 PM
At work one of my responsibilities is to manage a web site in which employees can ask any question that is work related. I received one a few weeks ago from an employee who is a local VFW officer. He noticed that our US and Texas flags were worn out. I contacted our Facilities Director for the site and he had the flags replaced within 24 hours. He also contact the employee who had them properly disposed of by the VFW!

HOOAH!

Gotta love it, vets helping vets! :thumbup:

Oh, and we have MASSIVE lights on them for night time. They look great!

Hellgate
05-01-2008, 06:43 PM
One other thing. I will stop a businesses and inform them of the proper care of the Flag and most are very thankful. They simply didn't know the proper customs.

HavBlue
05-02-2008, 05:40 AM
i only wish everyone in our country shared the respect that you are admiring. there are some that would rather slander the flag, and the sad thing is that is a right that they are given under the flag (to an extent)

You are correct Bard but think about this:

We have the most sophisticated freedoms of any nation on this planet. This does however come with a price because this symbol of freedom can not be just a flag. It must be the citizens who live under the freedoms that flag represents having the ability to voice an opinion that would make your blood boil without fear of reprisal; except to say they should also know it is your right to voice an equal opinion that would make there blood boil too.

If there are citizens who find it necessary to burn that flag in protest then so be it as the US Flag Code (Public Law 94-344) is not enforced nor does it carry any bail amount for failure to comply. The law was written as a condition of respect to be used at government facilities and as a guideline for ethics and etiquette. I do not agree with burning the Flag in protest but I do understand it should be the right of citizens to do so as we are a nation of freedoms and legal protest is one of them..

Burning the Flag became a huge issue in the 1960's during a time I was not here. Today we find these same conditions as there are many who find themselves in the same position I was back then and this is a time of war. To me, this is not a time to be burning the Flag simply because there are those who now face the clear and present threat of a loss of life and our respect of that flag and what they do is a fundamental necessity when it comes to the soldiers moral. There is a time and place for everything so to me, now is not the time to be disrespecting our Flag.

So, if an individual chooses to burn the flag, they should pray it's not around me because I am taking that flag home with me. I will however be making a phone call as I will be needing money for bail and an attorney......

madmanmaigret
05-02-2008, 05:51 AM
So, if an individual chooses to burn the flag, they should pray it's not around me because I am taking that flag home with me. I will however be making a phone call as I will be needing money for bail and an attorney......

Well at least you will have company in lockup Charlie! I'll be taking a few heads w/that flag!

Thanks

Hellgate
05-02-2008, 06:47 AM
You are correct Bard but think about this:

We have the most sophisticated freedoms of any nation on this planet. This does however come with a price because this symbol of freedom can not be just a flag. It must be the citizens who live under the freedoms that flag represents having the ability to voice an opinion that would make your blood boil without fear of reprisal; except to say they should also know it is your right to voice an equal opinion that would make there blood boil too.

If there are citizens who find it necessary to burn that flag in protest then so be it as the US Flag Code (Public Law 94-344) is not enforced nor does it carry any bail amount for failure to comply. The law was written as a condition of respect to be used at government facilities and as a guideline for ethics and etiquette. I do not agree with burning the Flag in protest but I do understand it should be the right of citizens to do so as we are a nation of freedoms and legal protest is one of them..

Burning the Flag became a huge issue in the 1960's during a time I was not here. Today we find these same conditions as there are many who find themselves in the same position I was back then and this is a time of war. To me, this is not a time to be burning the Flag simply because there are those who now face the clear and present threat of a loss of life and our respect of that flag and what they do is a fundamental necessity when it comes to the soldiers moral. There is a time and place for everything so to me, now is not the time to be disrespecting our Flag.

So, if an individual chooses to burn the flag, they should pray it's not around me because I am taking that flag home with me. I will however be making a phone call as I will be needing money for bail and an attorney......

I agree. Once you have been shot at while wearing the flag of you nation on your sleeve, in the service of your country, it puts a whole new perspective on what is really important in life: Family and Freedoms.

As the bumper stick says, "If you value your freedoms thank a Vet".

I personally feel that many people who protest do so because of the power they feel in being part of a larger group that has a common goal, protest for the sake of protest. I'd imagine for many it is the first time they have felt that power of a group. I have no problems with people who protest, it is their right to do so, however burning the symbol that has given them the right to do so tells me that they simply don't get it.

OneTrack
05-02-2008, 12:35 PM
It is ironic that burning a flag is the correct protocol when a flag has done its duty and is no longer serviceable or suitable for display. That's what I try to think of when I see "protesters" burning a national flag....that they are unwittingly honouring the flag, not disgracing or insulting it.

Nelly
05-02-2008, 04:15 PM
I agree. Once you have been shot at while wearing the flag of you nation on your sleeve, in the service of your country, it puts a whole new perspective on what is really important in life: Family and Freedoms.

As the bumper stick says, "If you value your freedoms thank a Vet".

I personally feel that many people who protest do so because of the power they feel in being part of a larger group that has a common goal, protest for the sake of protest. I'd imagine for many it is the first time they have felt that power of a group. I have no problems with people who protest, it is their right to do so, however burning the symbol that has given them the right to do so tells me that they simply don't get it.
You don't have to be shot at to appriciate or regard your country in an enlightened way.
Anyone who has carried out duties in public service will also feel the same. I wish that my fellow countrymen had the level of respect you guys do for your colours.
I take my hat of to you all.
Charlie send me your paypal and I will donate a few dollars for your phone call (bail I can't afford).

Nelly

trailblazer87
05-02-2008, 04:19 PM
Hell Charlie,

If I win tonights lottery then I'll pay for your attorney:thumbup:

HavBlue
05-02-2008, 08:26 PM
It is ironic that burning a flag is the correct protocol when a flag has done its duty and is no longer serviceable or suitable for display. That's what I try to think of when I see "protesters" burning a national flag....that they are unwittingly honoring the flag, not disgracing or insulting it.

Ah yes but in that ceremonial burning things are quite different and the Flag is never burned out of anger. Maybe we should apply for a patent and start making flags out of Nomex......:thumbup:

OneTrack
05-02-2008, 09:11 PM
Ah yes but in that ceremonial burning things are quite different and the Flag is never burned out of anger. Maybe we should apply for a patent and start making flags out of Nomex......:thumbup:

Or canned Coca-Cola cardboard cartons.....have you ever tried to burn one? :confused:
Yes, the emotions and sentiments of ceremonial burnings and "protest" burnings are quite different. IAE, burning a nation's flag at a protest is getting old...it really was a 60's thing whose day has come and gone.
Respect for the flag is a rare commodity, unfortunately...how soon people forget those that died in defense of that flag.

jniedermeyer
05-02-2008, 09:29 PM
i dont see many flags around here. i had 1 but it was tattered by wind. time for a new one. and one that was made in u.s.a. not china